Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonathan Emile (2nd nomination)


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The result was no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 21:48, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Jonathan Emile
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Why the page should be deleted

This is the second time this article has been nominated for deletion. The first time it was deleted, but it's back. It fails notability.

I've reviewed the sources - nearly all are dead links (if they were ever actual links, impossible to say). The few that remain are press releases, non-news sites, promotional bills, etc.

The first Album (2008) created by this artist, was published by Mind Peace Love, a label created by Emile which make it self published. Similarly, his second "studio album", The Lover/Fighter Document LP (2015) was also produced by his label has only its iTunes store listing as a source. There are no reliable sources referring to it.

My best guess is this is a vanity page for an aspiring but not-notable artist.Mattnad (talk) 11:28, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete in any case as I haven't even started looking closely but things simply aren't matching and is best deleted until better. Pinging as all the other users aside from Mattnad are no longer considerably active.  SwisterTwister   talk  05:28, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. Putting the sources in the article to one side, there is coverage out there, e.g., , , , , , . I've gone for weak keep as most of these focus on the track he did with Kendrick Lamar. --Michig (talk) 07:20, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Using the musician notability criteria, do you think even a weak keep works? It would seem he's notable (if at all) because a more famous person participated with him on one track.  That's thin to me.Mattnad (talk) 09:07, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It just seems the dead links need to be replaced by active ones. There are many credible sources. He is notable. Many secondary sources, significant coverage, there are multiple contributors and the sources available are reliable. Why don't you go ahead and add some -- are you fishing? The original deletion request is from 2008. Michig JusticeBlack (talk) 03:48, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Michig. I have incorporated some of the sources you mentioned in the article including from Vice, XXL, The Montreal Gazette'' and CTV Global News. These are very important and extremely credible sources to consider before deleting such an article. I don't look at deletion requests as negative as they create new incentives to improve on an article in a bid to keep it. werldwayd (talk) 15:15, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I had previously closed this on the basis of all the keeps were socks except one weak keep. However, that was mistaken. SpinningSpark 13:20, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep I've already made some corrections to the article not including some local sources like these,, . There are errors on the page, ones which can be corrected with little effort. JusticeBlack (talk) 04:39, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep More than 1 notable artist has collaborated wit him: Murs_(rapper), KRS-One, Buckshot_(rapper) and Kendrick Lamar. I think this deletion request is a bit of a stretch. It doesn’t need to be started from Zero. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Themovementfam (talk • contribs) 04:52, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep I took a look and found these two pieces on major Hip Hop blogs from the last day or two (one was today):, . They seem to confirm notability from my understanding of the criteria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Themovementfam (talk • contribs) 05:00, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep I've taken a look at the sources and links and the seem to be up to be matching up now. I haven't edited this page since I created it -- I'm not active but I think it should remain using musician notability criteria. Pinging, what do you think now? Suggestions? Wikiwahwah5 (talk) 14:39, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong keep: Notable artist with excellent coverage in media. Increased importance with his 2015 release. Please see additional sources now incorporated in this well-referenced article.werldwayd (talk) 15:15, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Note to closing administrator. JusticeBlack, Themovementfam, and Wikiwawah5 have been blocked as sock puppets and/or meat puppets. See Sockpuppet investigations/JusticeBlack.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:47, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SpinningSpark</b> 13:20, 25 October 2015 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti <sup style="color:green; font-family:Times;">Talk  19:26, 1 November 2015 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, KTC (talk) 03:14, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. He "has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself" (WP:MUSICBIO), including e.g. CTV News, DTK Men , Cult Montreal , Montreal Gazette , Noisey , XXL Magazine , the McGill Daily , HipHopDX , CBC News , Global News , Music TImes , Paste Magazine  and the Orange County Reverb .Martinogk (talk) 01:00, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep- Paid evidence is clear with the block of three users, still page deserves a place. Ignoring socketpuppetry, distinct reliable news sources for his work on race relations turns my vote from delete to weak keep.Kavdiamanju (talk) 16:52, 15 November 2015 (UTC)


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