Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonathan Flynn


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Shereth 20:31, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Jonathan Flynn

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Fails notability criteria as he hasn't played in a fully professional league or at the highest possible level. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 03:50, 5 July 2008 (UTC) Delete Lacks substantial coverage in reliable sources to support a claim to notability per WP:NOBJ as well as failing WP:Athlete. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 20:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.   —Eastmain (talk) 04:34, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Blackburn Rovers F.C. is an English Premier League football club. --Eastmain (talk) 04:34, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. According to his club profile, he's made 7 appearances for Ballymena United F.C..  Ballymena play in the IFA Premiership, the highest level of football in Northern Ireland.  Unless I'm missing something here, that would make him a pass for WP:Athlete. Vickser (talk) 06:48, 5 July 2008 (UTC) I'm changing my vote to Delete with a big thank you to Number 57 for finding the article that solidified the league as semi-pro. Vickser (talk) 16:52, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:ATHLETE says "competed in a fully professional league" or "competed at the highest level in amateur sports". Football isn't an amateur sport, so the second alternative doesn't apply. Perhaps someone could clarify whether last season's Irish Premier League was fully pro or not? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 07:17, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Gosh, it hadn't even occured to me that the highest level of football in northern ireland might not be fully pro. Let me see what I can find. Vickser (talk) 07:58, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - This version of the IFA Premiership page suggests the league was semi-professional. The current version of the page doesn't state this. I have tried searching but I can't conclusively determine whether the league is professional or not. When in doubt, I suggest we keep the article until we can confirm the league is not professional. If someone can confirm the league is not, I will change to delete. Rasadam (talk) 08:22, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Confirmation that the league is not fully professional in this Irish News article - it is described as "the local semi-professional league". пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  10:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete changing to Delete as per link above, fails notability as per WP:ATHLETE Rasadam (talk) 12:12, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:ATHLETE as hasn't played in a fully professional league. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  10:32, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Number 57's newspaper article is consistent with the version of the Irish Premier League article referred to by Rasadam, which describes the IPL as played in by Mr Flynn before the 2008 reorganisation/renaming. In which case, he does fail WP:ATHLETE by not having played in a fully-pro league. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Clearly NN Dreamspy (talk) 19:24, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  23:02, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:ATHLETE as he's played for a Northern Irish Tier 1 League. We've dealt with AFDs trying to delete players in similiar leagues before, and they've passed as it meets the intent of the guideline, so I don't know why we would do any different here. Nfitz (talk) 07:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you explain how he passes WP:ATHLETE? He hasn't played in a fully professional league. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  09:31, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We need to be careful to follow the spirit of a guideline. WP:ATHLETE confers notablity on Competitors who have competed in a fully professional league. But how fully is fully? And how do we apply this to every sport. In the absence of community-accepted detailed criteria for each sport, we need to be careful how to apply this. If we were to apply the letter of the guideline rigidly, we'd wipe out many, many articles (such as most of those listed in Category:Canadian lacrosse players - for while they are fully professional teams and a league, most NLL players have alternate sources of income. So we have to follow the spirit. In this case he is professional player has played in the highest level of a national league in his country of origin, and is now signed for a team in the English Premier League. Common sense dictates that under these circumstances the spirit of WP:ATHLETE has been met. Nfitz (talk) 20:00, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't understand this "spirit" thing. He doesn't meet the criteria. The fact that he has played in the top division in Northern Ireland is irrelevant, as it is not a fully professional league - what next, articles on players who have played in the top division in San Marino or Andorra? пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  17:49, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Read WP:SPIRIT and point 2 of Wikilawyering. Spirit is a well-defined concept in Wikipedia. As for Andorra - when my Canadian newspaper and TV start providing the standings and summaries of Andorran football games, then I might think that the players in that league might be sometimes notable. Until that time, I think that common sense dictates that they are not. Nfitz (talk) 18:08, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 16:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.