Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonathan Mayhew Wainwright (1821–1863)


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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 00:27, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Jonathan Mayhew Wainwright (1821–1863)

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Fails WP:SOLDIER. The Appletons' Cyclopædia of American Biography entry linked at the bottom is primarily about his father. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:17, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - ships named in his honor - see USS Wainwright. Non-notable people do not get U.S. Navy vessels named after them. —Мандичка YO 😜 08:33, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Junior officer. No special notability. Having a ship named after you is not necessarily proof of anything, especially when the ships are named after the whole family. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:06, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? Does the Royal Navy name ships after random non-notable people? Do they just draw names? That's not how it happens in the United States. —Мандичка YO 😜 22:38, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The Royal Navy actually almost never names ships after people at all. Only Royals and senior military commanders. Many American ships are in fact named after people who aren't really very notable in a Wikipedia sense. Just because the ship is notable doesn't mean its namesake is. Forgetting for a moment that they named a ship after his family, take a look at this chap's bio and tell me why exactly he is notable. A lieutenant who was killed in action, that's all. There are many, many thousands just like him. He is not himself notable. The family as a whole may be notable as one that produced several officers, but individual members (except the admiral, of course) are not. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:49, 5 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Weak keep -- How far down the ranks do we treat people as notable? Captain of a capital ship might just qualify to my mind, but I do not commonly edit in this area.  The series of US ships are probably named for him (as a captain killed in action), which may point to some notability in the eyes of those who choose names.  We have a series of AFDs on this family: if we keep anyone beyond the WWII general, it should be him.  Peterkingiron (talk) 11:54, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The three ship articles explicitly state they were named after three, four and finally five family members, otherwise they would have been named the USS Jonathan Wainwright rather than just Wainwright. Captains of capital ships definitely don't qualify on their own; you have to be an admiral for an automatic pass. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:22, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * In any case, a revenue cutter is most certainly not a capital ship! Lieutenants do not command capital ships! Captains command capital ships. And as Clarityfiend says, even they are not inherently notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:23, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep, I always expect that there will be articles about ship namesakes, at a minimum so that the persons details don't have to be discussed in each of the three ships that were named partly for him. In general, if a navy names a ship (or 3 ships) after someone (or several persons who were equally noteworthy at the time of the naming), they are almost certainly notable. Additionally, he is mentioned individually, with several paragraphs, in He was a "Notable American". --Dual Freq (talk) 14:05, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor Talk! 12:00, 10 November 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge to the ship article(s), not notable per WP:GNG, lack of significant coverage in multiple reliable sources independent of the subject. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 22:42, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   14:55, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails GNG and SOLDIER. No significant coverage of him as a person. J bh  Talk  11:53, 29 November 2015 (UTC)


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