Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonathan Paula


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 19:32, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Jonathan Paula

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An IP simply added the name to the December 6 log and commented at the article's talk page so I finished the nomination myself. The article reads very much like a personal biography and a Google News search only provided this 2011 news article. All of the other results are either primary or unreliable. This Wikipedia article claims he owns a production company called Jogwheel but the news article says ideo Productions (not Jogwheel) but if both exist, they are probably indie companies. At best, it seems this is a case of too soon and he has only produced indie YouTube videos. What also concerns me is that he started his own Urban Dictionary entry and this article was probably also started by him or people connected to him. SwisterTwister  talk  00:04, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - WP:TOOSOON at best--Modern.Jewelry.Historian (talk) 00:26, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
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 * Comment - I'm one of the subscribers to his channels on YouTube. Jogwheel Productions is, as far as I am aware, his YouTube production company - that is what the JPizzle1122 channel is named. "Is It a Good Idea To Microwave This?" is a VERY well known YouTube show - I don't have access to the number of views it had, but I'll fetch it when I get home. I've notified User:JPizzle1122, who appears to be Jon Paula (but never edited the article on himself) of this discussion. Lukeno94 (talk) 14:34, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * - says that it's the best part of 234 million views just on this channel alone. Lukeno94 (talk) 17:46, 7 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - WP:TOOSOON and don't see much in the way of independent coverage that would provide notability --4letheia (talk) 19:25, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Just read what the IP wrote, sounds like bad-faith to me... anyone looking at the view count for any one of Paula's channels would see why someone would create an article about him. He probably doesn't fit any Wiki guidelines, but then Wiki guidelines don't factor in YouTube people generally. Is Jon Paula notable within YouTube? Yes. Does he fit Wikipedia at the moment? Not sure. Please note I've changed the link above as YouTube's view counters for individual shows are currently glitched, and show the number of views for the whole channel instead. Lukeno94 (talk) 20:25, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - Hi, Jon here. My production company changed names in 2011. It's a registered S-corporation with several full, and part-time employees. There have been at least four separate newspaper article write-ups on myself / my YouTube success in the past couple years, a few of which are still available online. I can try to hunt them down if the "credible, 3rd-party sources" is the issue here. I've worked at radio stations as on-air talent, edited TV commercials, done plenty of work outside the "indie YouTube" sphere, and I've performed at both VidCon and Playlist Live. Whether or not any of that is "notable" is certainly debatable. But I'd argue I am am just as "notable" as most other YouTubers who have articles on Wikipedia. I didn't write/start this article (neither did anyone I personally know), nor do I really care if it's deleted -- but at least do your due diligence (and not jump to conclusions, @SwisterTwister) before wiping it. What that stupid UrbanDictionary entry has to do with anything, is beyond my best guess.--Jonny Paula (talk) 06:00, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * To prove your notability as a YouTube personality, there should be significant reliable and third-party sources, not anything primary or promotional such as press releases. It may not be fair to some but it helps sort through the most viable and informative articles. Regarding your "diligence" comment, I was simply concerned that you may be promoting yourself because it is certainly not the first time this would have happened. I should note that I take Articles for Deletion debates very seriously and I try to search thoroughly before commenting. SwisterTwister   talk  06:39, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It would be a good idea to dig up those sources (assuming they are write-ups, not press releases), that should pass WP:GNG if they're reliable enough. Lukeno94 (talk) 17:51, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Some articles (please forgive my formatting, I don't post to Wikipedia often): That's all I can remember right now. Hope this helps.--Jonathan Paula (talk) 22:44, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * http://bostonherald.com/business/technology/general/view/2009_02_27_Youtubing_for_dollars:_Video_makers_cashing_in_online
 * http://itemlive.com/articles/2011/03/21/news/news04.txt
 * http://www.saukvalley.com/2010/12/01/show-hosts-saddened-by-moms-death-in-fulton-fire/aplfmmm/?page=1
 * http://www.tubefilter.com/2011/07/19/the-microwave-show/
 * Delete. Not notable by himself. -- Phazakerley  (talk) 20:36, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * ... but, I'd be notable with a group? The unequal logic applies to this article, verses all other YouTuber personalities doesn't seem consistent in the least.--Jonathan Paula (talk) 04:00, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hardly. Fine Brothers, The Yogscast, Smosh etc. -- Phazakerley  (talk) 04:37, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, so now TubeFilter articles count as "notable"? Well, then add this to the list to your nonsense requirements: http://www.tubefilter.com/2011/07/19/the-microwave-show/ --Jonathan Paula (talk) 19:45, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
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