Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonathon Coudrille


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was  delete. Those arguing in favour of keeping this article have provided no actual evidence that he is worthy of inclusion. Once again, it is not simply enough to say "oh, he's got a book, and that book got press coverage"; you need to show evidence of that book and press coverage. The standard at AfD is "who can provide supported evidence to back up their argument?" not "who can provide the most spurious, unsupported evidence to back up their argument?". Ironholds (talk) 15:45, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Jonathon Coudrille

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Does not seem to pass WP:ARTIST. He's created a number of non-notable works, but I can't find much RS coverage. Sources seem to be direct "press releases". ▫  Johnny Mr Nin ja  19:12, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


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 * Thank you for bringing this to our attention. The mis-labelled "press releases" are published articles and reviews from national UK newspapers such as The Guardian and various trade journals and their source and dates are given clearly. We have corrected the heading to this section to end the confusion, and also deleted some laudatory adjectives and phrases from the text above. We have also updated some information and added a couple of external links. ▫ VigilantA  00:35 23rd June 2011  — VigilantA (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * As it is apparent that you aren't a regular editor here, I've flagged the article for rescue. Hopefully some editors will be able to help in cleaning and sourcing the article. I personally do not feel that the subject comes near our inclusion threshold outlined at WP:ARTIST, maybe others will disagree. ▫  Johnny Mr Nin ja  00:44, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:15, 23 June 2011 (UTC)




 * Is this to prove a point or something? If you don't believe an article should exist, you want it deleted, then why tag it for help rescuing it?   D r e a m Focus  05:37, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * These editors believe it should be kept, but do not have wiki experience. I have seen the press and do not find it significant, but I do not want the article deleted simply because I have more history than these editors do. I would not do this if more experienced editors were involved, but I don't want anyone to feel picked on for being new. I would like for other editors to participate in this discussion if they feel it should be kept/deleted, and there have been no other edits. Sorry that it seems like bad faith. ▫  Johnny Mr Nin ja  05:47, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Just with the recent discussion going on at the Rescue template talk page, seemed a bit odd.  Never saw this happen before.   D r e a m Focus  05:58, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Understood, my intention was not to say that I want this article rescued, but that the two editors of the article do, and likely don't know how to do it. This does not change my stance on the article. ▫  Johnny Mr Nin ja  06:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep He passes #4 of WP:ARTIST. He has a work in the permanent collection at Falmouth Art Gallery.  Plus he's been in various notable exhibitions.    D r e a m Focus  05:43, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Complete nonsense: the Falmouth Art Gallery is not a 'notable gallery or museum', let alone the "several" of them required by WP:ARTIST criteria 4. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 18:00, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Many newspapers don't allow their content to be viewed that far back. The Guardian won't allow searches for anything before 1998.  All of the news about this guy was written before that.  I assume whoever added that to the article knows or is him, since otherwise you'd have to have a lot of very old newspapers lying around.    D r e a m Focus  06:06, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Good Morning, I am Jonathon X. Coudrille (correct spelling); I hope I broach no protocols by appearing here. Charles Thomson of the Stuckists wrote to inform me of my impending deletion, (as he wrote a few years ago to tell me of my inclusion). For the record I found the article both embarrassingly florid and unlikeably gloating in tone (It appeared to be an agglomeration of old articles focused on my life rather than my work, and the Bignose phone-photo is a stinker) but I was very honoured to be included. Having been made aware of this correspondence, I asked a young friend to look at things for me and she says she's done what she can, over to me. As it might do me professional damage to be removed, am I allowed to speak on my own behalf? I have been a professional artist since before my first solo show at the first Harrogate festival in the nineteen sixties, and had already exhibited at the Penwith Society and Newlyn societies alongside Peter Lanyon, Karl Weshke etc. as a student. My late first wife disliked and helped to destroy most of the work from this show and period and there are only a couple of extant photos, none of the destroyed large political paintings. Re Press, there are a fair amount of later articles (1/3rd of a page with photo of a nude portrait in the London Evening Standard Friday 15th June 2001 and plenty of locals right up to last month, many of which seem to have recycled the Wiki profile despite having conducted time consuming interviews) and there is also a television interview with John Nettles that was shot for and televised on Channel 4 Arts and includes much of the current work. I do not have an international reputation (not for want of trying; I was disabled for a while by a road accident in the 70's that set me back hugely but led to the books) but I am not unknown in my field, and was invited to Russia as a guest of the Moskvarechie realist painting school in 1991. on my return to Cornwall I was a founder member (with Barry Cook and Vince Tutton) and first chairman of the unimportant Peninsula Fine Arts Society, now re-branded as 'Lizard Arts' and continue as an academician of the South West Academy. I was due to be featured in and was working towards the Falmouth Gallery Surrealist Show that was scheduled for 2013, but the tragic death of the late curator Brian Stewart renders this exhibition unlikely now. I am however shown alongside Roland Penrose, Lee Miller, Miro, Picasso and my contemporary Andrew Lanyon in the gallery publication 'The Surrealists in Cornwall'. I had a parallel career for 20 years as a professional musician, but have earned my living as an artist all my life. If I have ensured my deletion by speaking in my own defence, so be it. My (disputed) place in Wikipedia has, as I said, been an honour. My email address is coudrille@gmail.com should anyone wish to quiz me or notify me of my final deletion. Regards, Jonathon C. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coudrille (talk • contribs) 11:53, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Nothing wrong with speaking on your behalf as long as you announce your identity. Your about page on your official website has a copy of an older version of this Wikipedia article.  Whenever you are mentioned in the news media at all, you should write it down, and if its online anywhere link to it.  Good way to promote yourself, and help build an article here with.  I doubt your article will be deleted, since you have gotten news coverage, and are in the permanent collection of at least one notable Gallery.  Do you have a list of every permanent collection you are part of?   D r e a m Focus  12:04, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Dream Focus; I'm in a number of private collections of course (Marquis of Bath, Perry Montague-Mason, Abel Herrero-duCloux, Mustak Musa and the like) but no major public ones beyond Falmouth. 'Stripping the Queen' was tipped to join the collection at Southampton, but crucially the city fathers decided to SELL £5,000,000 worth of art to fund a 'Disney style Titanic Attraction', I withold my opinion of this piece of corporate good-taste. Falmouth would have probably acquired more in 2013 if their award-winning curator hadn't come off his bicycle on the ice. (Now there's a man who deserved an entry in wiki: Brian Stewart. any editors have the time to do this for him and his heirs and the wonderful thing he made of Falmouth Gallery?) I'm transiting what will probably be my last decade as an artist (or living being!), but if I get to complete my 'Zeitgeist Gallery' series, (2 and a half down, around ten more to go; the paintings feature nude spectators in a gallery viewing very recognisable works by famous artists; so far, Tracy Emin, Brancusi, Picasso and Whistler, raphael on the way...) then I may well die happy and, 'recognised'. Regards, Jonathon C. 14:05 23rd June. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coudrille (talk • contribs) 13:12, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete: appears to be no reliable coverage beyond a single article in the Falmouth Packet -- the local weekly newspaper of a small town in Cornwall. No evidence that the topic meets WP:ARTIST or WP:MUSICBIO. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 18:00, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

DELETE me please and get it over with. Regards, Jonathon Coudrille. But no need to be offensive. These are living people as well as ill considered entries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coudrille (talk • contribs) 19:18, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep based on his book A Beastly Collection and the associated press coverage, for being at an exhibition at the Walker Art Gallery and in the permanent collection of Falmouth Art Gallery (which seems to be a reasonably important regional gallery) and the associated publications of those shows. I'd like to see more recent sources and the article is badly in need of clean-up. His music on its own may not pass WP:MUSIC but as notability support for his art and publications it seems to have some merit. I'm amused that the Bank of Nova Scotia purchased his painting--they hold my student loan, so I'm always keen to know what they do with the money they earn off my significant interest payments. freshacconci talktalk</FONT> 22:50, 24 June 2011 (UTC)


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