Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jordan Harbinger (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus is that GNG is met. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 18:12, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Jordan Harbinger
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fails WP:BIO. The entity had a page created in 2010 and it was deleted for failing WP:BIO (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jordan_Harbinger ). 7 years later, in 2017, a SPA create the page again, without going through AfC. A Google News search shows 340 results, most of them are name drops and lack the depth of coverage WP:N requires. Also, the SPA who created this page also created the page for the guy's podcast too (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Eggnog_slog ); so, yeah, it's pretty obvious that they're trying to self-promote on Wikipedia again. CerealKillerYum (talk) 12:48, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. –  TheGridExe  ( talk )  13:00, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. –  TheGridExe  ( talk )  13:00, 21 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete and WP:SALT. Wikipedia is not a place to promote things. Exemplo347 (talk) 14:24, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Not sure I get the issue here. Subject is featured in prominent business magazines like Foundr, Success and Forbes. He's been featured on Tony Robbins' podcast and countless others. He is a staple in the world of "social engineering" and personal improvement. I get the issue with the main podcast page but the call to delete this page seems knee-jerk and not well substantiated. A lot of assumptions being made here about the intent. Vix sapientia 23:49, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Interesting comment User:Vix sapientia. Please let us know if you have a conflict of interest when commenting (see WP:COI). Your profile says "I am also an avid consumer of "personal development"" and you also wrote the draft for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The_Jordan_Harbinger_Show . You might have a connection to the subject that you're not informing us about. It also looks like you're new on Wikipedia since you have 19 edits. You might want to sit down and read WP:BLP to understand the requirements for having a Wikipedia page for a living person. You'd also want to sit down and read WP:RS. For example, you mentioned that the subject was featured on the Tony Robbins podcast. WP:QUESTIONABLE states "Questionable sources are those with a poor reputation for checking the facts or with no editorial oversight." To give you an idea of what "fact checking" or "editorial oversight" is, consider an academic journal or a newspaper like the NY Times. The Tony Robbins Podcast? It might just be one individual giving his/her opinion with no editorial oversight or fact checking. So, yeah, please inform us of a COI and inform yourself of the guidelines. CerealKillerYum (talk) 18:35, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * No conflict. I'm obligated to disclose those and since I haven't, I don't have one. As my profile says, it's just something that interests me, and I've also worked on a few insurance related pages which is my area of expertise. I thought it might be interesting to try and add value to this community but so far, but instead of someone speaking with me and yes, acknowledging that I am new and might make a few missteps, I seem to get people like you talking down to me rather than trying to have a conversation. If tossing rude insults and "suggestions" around is how one gains experience in here, I'll leave it to you! Vix sapientia 19:41, 22 May 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.104.157.146 (talk)
 * Probably the best for you and the Wikipedia community! CerealKillerYum (talk) 20:53, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:12, 29 May 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment Cerealkilleryum's ad hominem attacks on a fellow editor are unwarranted and inappropriate. There is no seniority when it comes to AFD, and users with more edits do not automatically gain more authority and vice versa.Egaoblai (talk) 16:21, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –&#8239;Joe (talk) 15:24, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep I'm not going to argue that this article wasn't created with promotional intent because I think there is a good chance that it was, especially considering how much the subject has relentlessly promoted themselves online. That said, this article is no where near G11 territory and I think that the subject is sufficiently notable for an article to exist and I am not about to say delete out of a sense of vindictiveness.  That said, this interview, this business insider overview, this article in the Verge, and the fact that sites like business insider consider him an expert on relationships is are sufficient for passing WP:GNG.  Winner 42  Talk to me!  20:01, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep The text may be indeed highly promotional but this is why we have tags about that issue. The subject is notable according to the sources cited in the article: Forbes, Inc., Time, Business Insider, and so on, and they're all about the person and what he does. No matter what one thinks about the article's subject or about "dating lessons," we assess worthiness by specific criteria. -The Gnome (talk) 20:46, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep GNG met. Exemplo347 (talk) 09:06, 8 June 2018 (UTC)


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