Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jordan Kamchev


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:34, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Jordan Kamchev

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poorly sourced, and the information on companies owned is entirely unsourced Jimbo Wales (talk) 01:10, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment – I've found this, and despite that being an interview only, it confirms Kamchev's importance in Macedonia, stating 'As CEO of a key company in Macedonia, how are you committed to boosting the economic growth and development of your country?'. There's this on the Macedonian Wikipedia. Also, many of the links are dead and there could be SIGCOV there, and I don't think Macedonia reports a lot on news.  J 947 ( c ) (m)   02:11, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment – I've [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jordan_Kamchev&diff=810899140&oldid=810878124 gone and fixed a link], but I can't find the original Forbes article referred to there. Graham 87 05:13, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete a non-notable businessman.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:42, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 08:17, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.   C Thomas3   (talk) 19:48, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Macedonia-related deletion discussions.   C Thomas3   (talk) 19:48, 26 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment Jordan Kamchev is the richest person in Macedonia according to Forbes. We can keep this article based on this fact. Also, there are high chances that coverage exists in Macedonian language. I will go with Weak Keep. Störm   (talk)  09:46, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sustained international coverage, though not all of it very positive. See this article in the Guardian (2006), with three paragraphs about Kamchev (spelled Kamcev here). A bit more in this 2015 article. And this Daily Mail article (yes, not allowed to use in the article, but again indication of notability). The "richest Macedonian" has been repeated in this source. And it looks as if there are countless Macedonian sources about him (not surprisingly). In 2008 he became the president of FK Vardar, the most important Macedonian soccer team. Article should perhaps be moved to Jordan Kamcev, which seems to be the more common name? Fram (talk) 15:30, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm probably going to !vote keep but for your information there is consensus to not allow The Daily Mail as a source for determining notability (first paragraph of close, second sentence), especially in BLPs. I actually made that mistake once as well—at Articles for deletion/First website ever made—but from rummaging archives I've learn't from that.  J 947  (c · m)  02:53, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, hadn't noticed that. Oh well, there are more than enough other sources (ones I listed, and shit ones like the Sun, and many ones I can't understand but where Kamcev clearly is the subject of significant attention), plus probably a lot of Macedonian offline ones. Fram (talk) 05:31, 30 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep and I am not that sure about the common name that is used by more reliable sources. Raymond3023 (talk) 07:51, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep –Richest person in any UN-recognized country is certainly notable. In addition, Macedonian version of the article has some sources that can be used to expand this. –Ammarpad (talk) 09:50, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - I agree with . = paul2520 (talk) 20:47, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Easy keep and rename as per the sources found. Systemic bias is definitely a problem here but the richest person in a multi-million populated country should certainly be notable.  J 947  (c · m)  23:27, 1 December 2017 (UTC)


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