Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jordan Maxwell (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 02:53, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Jordan Maxwell
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Conspiracy theorist, article fails to establish notability through reliable sources according to WP:BIO. The article was already deleted once for the same reason. Peephole (talk) 22:22, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:07, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep and plaster with cleanup tags: appears to have some notable coverage (Consumer Affairs, etc.) and involvement with FTC. Needs better referencing to support the statements, but they at least make a claim for notability. Politizer talk / contribs 00:23, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Being involved in a lawsuit and mentioned in one magazine article is hardly a claim to fame.--Peephole (talk) 00:29, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Changed my comment to "weak keep"...I don't know a lot about the coverage, but I did notice that the "criticism of Jordan Maxwell" section appears to mostly be user-generated Youtube videos, which suggests that his work hasn't been addressed by respectable sources. Politizer talk / contribs 01:34, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Since he's claimed to be a researcher and independent scholar, it seems that WP:PROF is the standard to use (after all, why should we be less strict about non-mainstream researchers than mainstream ones?) but he's not close to a pass on that. Nor does he seem to pass WP:BIO (the standard we end up having to use for fringe researchers because they invariably fail WP:PROF): there's only one thing I see listed that has the superficial appearance of a reliable source (the "BBC America" link to bbcoa.com) but on reading the article more carefully it appears to be another of the subject's own sites; the real BBC America is bbcamerica.com. —David Eppstein (talk) 03:59, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't agree with the idea of holding conspiracy theorists or non-mainstream researchers to WP:PROF scrutiny. They don't publish in peer-reviewed journals because their ideas are not generally accepted and they also are unlikely to hold any seat of power in an educational organization. Using WP:PROF sets them up for failure from the outset. Just using WP:BIO which applies to any living person is a lot more fair. - Mgm|(talk) 10:21, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, but I don't think he passes WP:BIO either, as I explained. My point was that sometimes in this sort of AfD people will try to use some sort of weakened form of WP:PROF, that the subject has published a few works which a few people have cited but not on the scale needed to really pass WP:PROF, and we shouldn't be considering that as an argument. —David Eppstein (talk) 15:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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 * Delete $_Has-received-significant-coverage-in reliable-secondary-sources-that-are-independent-of-the-subject = NO. - Eldereft (cont.) 23:00, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


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