Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jordan Older


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The result was delete. Carioca 20:14, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Jordan Older

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Article is about a non-notable player. No reliable sources have been provided that show he played in a fully professional league or is otherwise notable. E.g., the Swiss and US clubs are amateur or semi-professional. Jogurney 03:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. Jogurney 03:11, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Despite the article's claims, I can find no reliable sources that confirm that he has ever played for a professional team in any country. "One of the first American-born players to play professional soccer in Europe" is clearly nonsense as there have been US-born players playing in Europe since at least the 1970s.  Looking on a couple of US soccer forums, this guy seems to be somewhat well-known as a self-hyping comparative nobody..... ChrisTheDude 08:53, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable. I could not find any references with redeeming qualities. The article's writeup is taken from his own site (about.htm). Most external links supplied do not even mention him. Alexf (Talk/Contribs) 09:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Does not appear to have played in a fully professional league per WP:BIO. --Malcolmxl5 12:35, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Hall of fame member, Paul Caliguri, was playing in the same USL league as him in 1995 in the USL and this player has 10 times the experience, credentials 95% of players listed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_soccer_players have. So if you are to delete this based on "non notable" or semi-pro leagues like the USL you should delete most of all the American players listed on that page. I'm the one who expanded the entry and each link given, I found them in Google, besides the link to clubs, have direct 3rd party references to facts about this player.  I also saw the 1998 Soccer America Poll where fans voted him onto the World Cup roster.  The poll has been removed from Soccer America, but is referenced in more than one post on bigsoccer.com where people say "he voted for himself" - http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-70774.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soccerexpert (talk • contribs) 21:58, 25 September 2007 (UTC)  — Soccerexpert (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment I'll be happy to support keeping the article if you can show that Older played in a fully professional league (as far as I know the USL D3 doesn't qualify). By the way, that BigSoccer message about Older was a joke and should not be taken as evidence of notability. Best regards. Jogurney 04:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. The bold claims made within the article are not backed by reliable third party sources.   Bur nt sau ce  21:46, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. I agree with Burntsauce (!) I have searched every page available and i can't find a reliable source. The claims in the article cannot be verified. Woodym555 19:04, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


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