Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jorge Alberto Rodríguez (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:42, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Jorge Alberto Rodríguez
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Sources do not corroborate the article or do not even exist; e.g. "DEA Congressional Testimony, October 23, 2011" (not listed among DEA Congressional testimonies in 2011).

More: Talk:Cali Cartel

As stated in that Talk: Cali Cartel -page, Jorge Alberto Rodriguez and Jorge Alberto Rodriguez Herrera (a real relative of the Cali Cartel brothers) are different persons! The identities are deliberately mixed-up. Every bit written on this article is unsourced, misleadingly sourced or leads to two different identities of whom very little is actually known. And what is known is relatively mundane. Consider the rather extravagant, unsourced claims regarding "The 400". Absolutely nothing links said claims to Jorge Alberto Rodriguez, our inmate number 09086-017. Worse, this fakery has infested even the far more visited Cali Cartel article; Jorge Alberto Rodriguez is mentioned throughout but try checking the sources. I just did a Google Books search on Ron Chepesiuk's The Bullet or the Bribe, a source provided for Seizures, one of the sections mentioning Jorge Alberto. Zero presence of Jorge in that book. Another source, this time from Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Nope, nothing there either. And this is a consistent pattern. "Jorge Alberto Rodriguez", as presented here in his namesake article or the Cali Cartel article, is nothing but a product of someone's imagination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.90.44.25 (talk) 11:16, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
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 * Comment for now while I investigate further. Delete: The nominator is correct that the article conflates (at least) two different people. Jorge Alberto Rodriguez may well have been arrested and imprisoned in 1990 (there are no sources in the text to verify this, and I can't find anything online about the arrest of such a supposedly key drug lord) – there was certainly a Jorge Alberto Rodriguez involved in drug smuggling from Colombia who was in a US prison and appealed against his conviction in 1993, and a Jorge Alberto Rodriguez released from a US prison in 2012 (type the inmate number 09086-017 into the box and press Search). Both of these sources are already in the article text, but there is nothing definitively linking them as the same person.


 * We can definitely say that neither of them was Jorge Alberto Rodriguez Herrera, the son of Gilberto Rodriguez Orjuela of the Cali Cartel, because he was a free man living in Colombia in 1995 when his father was arrested by the Colombian authorities, as stated here in this Colombian newspaper article from July 1995 where he tried to enter the US after his father's arrest, but was caught and deported back to Colombia . In another newspaper article he is stated as being an engineer by trade (nothing to do with drugs), and in this article about the children of the Orjuela brothers, he is not even mentioned among his half-brothers and sisters as being involved in illegal activities , which is surprising if he really were heavily involved in the Cali Cartel, as the article states. There is nothing to support the penultimate statement that "He is regarded as one of the wealthiest criminals in history, with an estimated net-worth of US$3.7 billion"... as noted by the nominator, the source regarding the DEA testimony doesn't exist, and the second source is here and makes no mention of the subject's wealth – in fact it shows that he was one of two men who had their assets unblocked and their names removed from the list of Specially Designated Narcotics Traffickers, which doesn't tie up with this subject's supposed importance as a drug lord, or with the dates that he was supposedly released from prison (this unblocking order is from 2009).


 * This article was created by a WP:SPA with the username "Cholito111908" (the subject of the article was supposedly known as "Don Cholito"), and it may be pure coincidence, but it was created just a month after Jorge Alberto Rodriguez was released from prison in April 2012. The book that the user ElizabethCastro says she was writing in the first AfD nomination has never materialised... neither has Ms Castro since the AfD nomination in 2015. Richard3120 (talk) 22:28, 28 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. If there are questions and the article creator is suspicious, it's best to play it safe for borderline notability articles.  Even if the sources really are about the person they claim to be, this person isn't amazingly super-notable anyway.  SnowFire (talk) 08:29, 7 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - valid concerns have been raised. PhilKnight (talk) 00:39, 8 March 2018 (UTC)


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