Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jorge Fernandez (tennis coach and footballer)


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The result was keep. Fenix down (talk) 06:42, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Jorge Fernandez (tennis coach and footballer)

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Notability is not WP:INHERITED. All the coverage of Jorge Fernandez in my WP:BEFORE is simply coverage of Leylah Fernandez with some extra facts about her dad. I could not find any reliable sources that cover Jorge Fernandez in depth.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 02:48, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom in that case. Paul Vaurie (talk) 03:56, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom unless it can be shown he satisfies WP:NFOOTY. Two of the references state he represented Ecuador internationally. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:40, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete unless proof can be found that he genuinely did play internationally for Ecuador (I couldn't find any in what I consider to be reliable football sources). The two sources which make this claim don't look especially reliable and both make the claim very vaguely.  It also seems quite unlikely to me that a player who apparently emigrated at age 4 to Canada (a country which didn't even have a professional football league at the time) would be called up to play for his country internationally, but that's just gut feel..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:44, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Can I remind you all that WP:GNG > WP:NFOOTY. Even if he does not qualify on football terms he certainly does on tennis coach terms. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:17, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Also certainly meets WP:TENNIS for notability for coaches. Furthermore the football claim is made by The Times as well, and sources include L'Équipe and mainstream Canadian news. On top of that WP:INHERITED does not apply because there are also stand alone articles included about him. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:56, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Presumably you mean WP:NTENNIS. That doesn't seem to mention coaches, could you clarify what the notability guideline for tennis coaches is? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:11, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Why not WP:TENNIS? There are notability guidelines there; those for a coach depend just on the notability of the player coached. A one-hit wonder doesn't count, but our current presumption should that Fernandez isn't that. 99.13.228.225 (talk) 19:41, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Clearly I didn't scroll far enough down to see that....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:49, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * BTW The Times source (at least the section I can read without subscribing) doesn't say that he played for the Ecuador national team or even that he played professionally, it just says that he "played for a string of clubs in Ecuador". Does the rest of the article say that he played professionally or internationally? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:20, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Nitpicking here, but yes the others say professionally specifically L'Équipe does, as per the citation. Only two sources says says international so maybe he was in a youth team at some point. And no I did mean WP:TENNIS; WikiProject Tennis/Article guidelines Abcmaxx (talk) 11:12, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - not convinced that the existing sources support the claim that he played international or even professional football, and the current sources are mostly not about him or don't look reliable, but he does seem to pass WikiProject Tennis/Article guidelines and there's probably just about enough for a weak GNG pass..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:24, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Suggest that the article be renamed to Jorge Fernandez (tennis coach), BTW, as that is what he is notable for being..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:27, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - Based on WikiProject Tennis/Article guidelines, considering that then he would pass for a notability, though the article needs a clean up. I agree with ChrisTheDude with regards to renaming to suit what makes him notable, Jorge Fernandez (tennis coach). Ampimd (talk) 12:34, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect I don't see GNG really, however I don't see why we can't just redirect to Leylah Fernandez. Govvy (talk) 14:01, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per Abcmaxx and ChrisTheDude. Like Chris, I think the article should be renamed since that seems to be his source of notability, however borderline that may be. – Broccoli &#38; Coffee  (Oh hai) 15:55, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak keep passes GNG and NTENNIS. He isn't notable as a footballer, so I believe his page should be moved to Jorge Fernandez (tennis coach) as per Ampimd.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:41, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
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 * Comment - Fernandez played semi-pro soccer (football) in Canada per this. The article fails WP:NFOOTBALL, and doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG as almost all of the coverage is devoted to Leylah, rather than Jorge (the El Universo article dedicates more ink to Jorge than is usual in these articles, but it's not really in-depth coverage). Perhaps, the article passes WP:NTENNIS? Jogurney (talk) 20:43, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep In addition to the above, there was a recent GNG quality reference recently, just looking at the Globe and Mail!. here. Nfitz (talk) 00:15, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per Abcmaxx and ChrisTheDude scrapes through WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:29, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - probably scrapes by on GNG, and agree with move to Jorge Fernandez (tennis coach) as that is primary notability. GiantSnowman 15:03, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 18:01, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Leylah Fernandez per Govvy above. If her dad should in time emulate Judy Murray, the redirect can be cancelled and the article developed. For now, though, insufficient GNG because he is known only as Leylah's father and, as the nominator says, notability isn't WP:INHERITED. No Great Shaker (talk) 04:11, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * terrible argument because he is her coach. That's like saying Sir Alex Ferguson is only well known because of Man U and therefore without Man U nobody would know who he is. There's standalone articles about him by the way so it's not entirely accurate what you've said anyway. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:28, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I have a friend who supports ManU and he has often said ManU would now be a tier 2/3 team but for Fergie. The fact is that Jorge Fernandez is only known because of Leylah and sources which verify his coaching abilities are currently below the level of coverage needed for GNG. No Great Shaker (talk) 09:51, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually you'll find that the article has standalone sources about him and it passes WP:TENNIS for coaches. And I'm sure your friend is a very good source that passes GNG, I heard Kent is full of football experts. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:17, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Not sure how Kent comes into it but, whatever, you need to read WP:SARC. Your Ferguson analogy is nonsense because he was famous before he joined ManU and there is no comparison between him and Jorge Fernandez – Ferguson is notable through his own efforts, not those of his offspring. Anyway, seriously, you need to deal with your dubious sourcing about football. First, the L'Équipe article doesn't mention football so ref#3 in the lead is false. Second, the final sentence is in no way verified by ref#11 – the only mention of football (as soccer) in that article is re two other people. Those claims amount to misinformation. No Great Shaker (talk) 12:24, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Weak keep - Article about former semi-pro footballer, who is now a tennis coach, which appears to scrape by WP:GNG. I think there is just enough to reach SIGCOV, but it's close. Jogurney (talk) 16:07, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


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