Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/José Guadalupe Rubio


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 23:09, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

José Guadalupe Rubio

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 21:57, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Football. Joeykai (talk) 21:57, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:12, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 08:44, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 08:47, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep -, I found , , , , , , , , , , and , among many more Spanish sources as well as YouTube interviews and podcast interviews. Definitely has offline sources having been clearly significant figure in Mexican football with many fully pro Liga MX appearances in past decades. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 09:42, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources above which show notability. Appears to be known as Lupe Rubio. GiantSnowman 16:48, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, passes GNG. Although, ideally would be expanded.--Ortizesp (talk) 06:47, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. I haven't done my own search yet so not !voting at this time, but, of the sources above: 1 is an interview with very little independent exposition by the interviewer: ❌. 2 is an interview where even the non-interview parts are almost entirely primary reflections from the interviewer ("some asked us if we were related"): ❌. 3 is a Q&A interview with just three sentences introducing the subject: ❌. 4 is a Q&A interview with two sentences of intro: ❌. 5 is an interview with some independent coverage, but it's about his local business and has barely four sentences on his football career: ❌. 6 is an announcement of his winning an honor from La Laguna fans, there are just a couple secondary independent sentences at the end summarizing his career: ❌. 7 is pure quotes from him: ❌. 8 is pure quotes (either direct, indirect in the form of "Rubio said", or in the style of the interviewer summarizing a forthcoming direct quote; none of these are independent/secondary): ❌. 9 is pure quotes: ❌. 10 is a primary recounting of the same award ceremony as above, with a couple snippets of mostly the same background info contained in the other award piece: ❌. 11 is another quote-dense interview with only a few sentences of background commentary: ❌. JoelleJay (talk) 02:15, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I disagree with your assessment of 10. The background information in it (reproduced below) is not routine and notes two of his important achievements (helping his club reach the final in 1993–94 and win the Invierno 1996 title). I'll do some further checking, but in my view this El Siglo de Torreón article certainly contributes towards SIGCOV:


 * Lupe Rubio, nacido en la Colonia Santa Rosa de Gómez Palacio, jugó durante diez años en Santos Laguna, desde la última temporada del equipo en Segunda División, la 1987-1988, hasta el Verano 1977, habiendo sido subcampeón con los Guerreros en la campaña 1993-1994 y campeón en el Invierno 1996.


 * Con Santos Laguna jugó 181 partidos en Primera División y anotó 11 goles. En el Invierno 1997 fue transferido al equipo Toros Neza, en el que año y medio después concluyó su carrera. Jogurney (talk) 16:48, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll add that according to the newspaper, Rubio was just the seventh player in the history of the club to receive the award. I think many of the articles linked above by Das osmnezz contain coverage that contributes towards SIGCOV, but we shouldn't lose sight of the newspaper's view (which appears to be echoed by his club and other Mexican media) that Rubio was an outstanding figure in Mexican football. Jogurney (talk) 17:33, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * That's the same info repeated in the other articles on the honor, I consider two sentences listing all the seasons he played and for whom the same type of transactional material we reject in transfer announcements. I get that the club is honoring him and the papers use laudatory language, which is why I haven't !voted yet, but I think we need a lot more than what's been found so far. JoelleJay (talk) 21:20, 7 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep - Although this biography is poorly sourced and woefully incomplete at the moment, I believe it covers a notable subject and can be expanded to meet our guidelines. Since Rubio played during the 1980s and 1990s, contemporary online Mexican media coverage isn't available to me. For example, El Siglo de Torreón has an archive, but the search function isn't working (I found lots of trivial coverage like match reports by Google searching it, and this brief recap of the Santos squad he was a part of during the 1990s which has this interesting commentary: Pedro Muñoz se afirma cada día más como titular induscutible de la defensa central, lo mismo que Guadalupe Rubio; este par de laguneros han demostrado que para jugar esa posición no se requiere de gran velocidad, el fútbol es un deporte de inteligencia y en el cuadro bajo la ubicación correcta es indispensable). As noted above, the same newspaper (apparently based on a vote by its readers) honored Rubio after his career ended (making him just the seventh Santos player to receive it - placing him in the company of clearly notable footballers like Benjamín Galindo and Oribe Peralta). There is other coverage linked above which is useful, although much of it includes Q&A with the subject, and I think we can piece together all of it to find WP:SIGCOV exists. Obviously, with access to Mexican media archives, this would be much easier to conclude. That said, this footballer made nearly 200 appearances in the Liga MX (I would think most footballers who did this from the 1970s or later would easily generate the required coverage), most of his career as one of two central defenders in a top-performing club (Santos Laguna). If people are concerned about the online coverage available, perhaps draftifying would be an alternative, but I worry that access to Mexican newspaper archives won't improve in the next few months. Common sense dictates that Rubio was an important figure in Mexican club football during the 1990s, and we have enough recent coverage of him to suggest archived coverage would be in-depth. Jogurney (talk) 14:44, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, per Jogurney's IAR reasoning. JoelleJay (talk) 18:03, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - agree with Jogurney and certainly some of the sources from Das are decent enough that we could at least build a half-decent article. Hopefully, those news archives in Mexico will be uploaded online in the near future, it would certainly benefit the project greatly. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:15, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: I completely agree with the points raised by Jogurney. Myna50 (talk) 08:22, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Jogurney.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:16, 10 March 2023 (UTC)


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