Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Josef Altin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Mediran  ( t  •  c ) 09:38, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Josef Altin

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This WP:BLP cites not one reliable source. A Google search finds no immediately available appropriate sources.  Sandstein  14:29, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment The subject is mentioned in a handful of Guardian theatre reviews, but none of these appear to be major roles; he does also get mentioned in The Independent review of "The Empire" where he had a larger role. AllyD (talk) 21:46, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but these are one-sentence passing mentions, not enough by far to base a biographic article on.  Sandstein   02:47, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't disagree: such press mentions help address the basic BLP issue but fall short of demonstrating WP:NACTOR notability. AllyD (talk) 09:06, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:06, 29 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Rather prolific UK television actor. I did a search for his name and Wikipedia came up first. And then I found this deletion discussion. His being cast in Game of Thrones has resulted in its own significant fan base as well. Make an effort to get better sources. There's quite probably industry material out there that's not online. --Bastique ☎ call me! 00:48, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * "Probably" isn't good enough. If you want to keep the article, you must look for and cite such sources, see WP:BURDEN. Without reliable sources, we must not keep a biography of a living person.  Sandstein   03:14, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You seem to misunderstand what I've typed. I'm not arguing your rationale for the need for reliable sources. I'm not arguing with you at all. I don't even "want" to keep this article. I'm stating a fact that he passes the threshold of being notable and his biography deserves to be on Wikipedia. That means it's worth someone who is an active editor making the effort to look for reliable sources that almost certainly exist. That is also to say that I have no stake in keeping this article, so I don't care what the end result is. I'm not a very active editor any longer in the first place. And I am not going to go through the effort to find it myself. But anyone who discovers this page will know precisely what to do rather than going through the Brobdingnagian task of trying to understand Wikipedia policies or find themselves arguing with you when they don't have to.  --Bastique ☎ call me! 04:22, 31 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep basic notability per the guideline WP:NACTOR, 48 roles over 14 year career, inculding same roll multiple times over 2 seasons on long term TV series The Bill, then there's pictured. Gnangarra 05:28, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, KTC (talk) 00:25, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Delete Nothing but passing mentions.  No indepth coverage of this individual.Curb Chain (talk) 02:37, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:45, 11 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep Even if not a winner, a Screen Actors Guild Awards nomination pushes nicely at WP:ANYBIO. In determining WP:ENT, we do not look only at the very least, but instead at the length of the career, the total work done, and most specially those roles found significant to plot and story of notable projects. So in his prolific career, we can recognize the totality and consider the more significant of those quite many named characters... such as Billy in multiple episodes of Being Human, as Jay Henderson in multiple episodes of The Bill as as Andy 'Mez' McKenzie in multiple episodes of Casualty, as Gary in multiple episodes of Misfits, as Darren in multiple episodes of Him & Her, and as Pypar in multiple episodes of Game of Thrones.  The sng WP:ENT does not mandate that the actor be individualy himself the recipient of significant coverage (else that sng would not need to exist in the first place), but instead sets up criteria through which notability might still be asserted and recognized when the GNG is weak... as long as we have verifiability of the actor's work. If we then have dozens of "brief" mentions that confirm various aspects of the article, then fine... we use them. While SIGCOV is wonderful, it is not the sole means by which we can determine if someone is notable enough to be included herein.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 01:34, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Easily notable enough by virtue of the range of verifiable work in TV and West End. Reviews in The Stage and The Independent. Game of Thrones clinches it, but even without that I would keep. Mcewan (talk) 08:34, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
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