Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Josef Skorepa


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) → B  music  ian  00:36, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Josef Skorepa

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This is an article about an athlete with questionable notability. This article is a sub-stub, which isn't actually a reason to delete it but tends to support the notability concerns. It's also an orphan, which again supports the notability concerns. If Josef ever makes it to the KHL or NHL (or does something significant in Extraliga), then there's no reason that his article couldn't be recreated. I don't see a real compelling reason to have an article on him here now, however. We can barely fill in an infobox for him, currently. — V = IR (Talk&thinsp;&bull;&thinsp;Contribs) 05:26, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ohms Law,
 * Sumone10154(talk • contribs) nominated this for RM 23:07, 26 April 2012 (UTC), I made extensive comment including the idea of using it as a test case for accurate naming of BLPs at 01:21, 27 April 2012 (UTC). Why nominate this one, rather than all 732 in the category? In ictu oculi (talk) 09:18, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions.  — Frankie (talk) 18:21, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  — Frankie (talk) 18:21, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep: The IIHF ranks the Extraliga as the third-best national league in Europe, ahead of the Elitserien, for which WP:NHOCKEY gives a presumptive pass on Criterion #1. I'm entirely comfortable, therefore, with this being a Criterion #1 pass, since we never assumed that the only pro leagues at the top of the list were the NHL or the KHL.  Further, I see that on the Eliteprospects.com website that Skorepa has nearly 200 games in the Czech 1.liga, the country's top minor league, which meets Criterion #3.  That this article is a stub does not mean it's unimprovable, and in no event constitutes valid grounds for deletion.   Ravenswing   23:05, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand your point, but there doesn't appear to be any significant coverage of this player. I see a couple of Extraliga player articles that do have coverage, and I understand the point about "third-best national league in Europe", but there's a presumption to that criteria that coverage exists somewhere, which doesnt' appear to be true here. — V = IR (Talk&thinsp;&bull;&thinsp;Contribs) 01:12, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Reply: Just out of curiosity, where did you look for coverage? A simple directed search on the Czech Google for "Josef Skorepa" + "hokej" returns over 28,000 hits  and over 140 unique hits, a pretty good total for a minor-leaguer.  While I can't claim to be able to read Czech, the odds that at least two of those hits represent articles discussing the subject in "significant detail" - all that the GNG requires - are good.   Ravenswing   02:30, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Can any of that be converted into content here? I think that this hits on an interesting question for Wikipedia in general. I could certainly see a case for an article about him in the Czech Wikipedia, but does that grant an automatic notability to the English Wikipedia? — V = IR (Talk&thinsp;&bull;&thinsp;Contribs) 03:03, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * (blinks) You know that sources need not be in English to count as reliable, yes? I'm asking seriously now: what steps did you take, as WP:BEFORE requires, to assure yourself that no reliable sources for this subject exist before filing this AfD?   Ravenswing   03:18, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that's sidestepping the question. I'd like to discuss the issue here, but if you'd rather not then that's ok. — V = IR (Talk&thinsp;&bull;&thinsp;Contribs) 03:19, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's sidestepping the question at all; it's entirely pertinent. Please do elaborate.   Ravenswing   04:13, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, elaborate on what, exactly? Non-English sources can be reliable. I don't see that I disputed that anywhere, or exactly how it's relevant to this discussion. — V = IR (Talk&thinsp;&bull;&thinsp;Contribs) 04:21, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Elaborate on how you ascertained that no sources exist for the subject. It seemed to me axiomatic that a G-search on the Czech Wikipedia would turn them up, and doing so took me about 30 seconds less time than finding out what "ice hockey" in Czech was so as to use it in the search parameters. As to the question on whether a subject might merit an article in one national Wikipedia but not another, aside from that national Wikipedias develop their own notability criteria, why so?  There is nothing about a non-English source that by that fact alone renders it unreliable.   Ravenswing   04:36, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - playing in the Czech Extraliga meets WP:NHOCKEY, i.e., "Played one or more games in an existing or defunct top professional league." Rlendog (talk) 02:21, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - Meets WP:NHOCKEY  Th e S te ve   04:27, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - Ohms Law I didn't "vote" above because I wanted to see what others better informed thought. Seems Mr. Skořepa is notable. But the question I asked you, "Why nominate this one, rather than all 732 in the category" still stands, though I have to assume it was no coincidence but related to the RM Talk:Josef Skorepa. FYI I saw your recent "tell them all to fuck off" comments shared with Fyunck, that's one thing, but this AfD above, and your move of hispanic councilman John Márquez from where's he been 2006 for no other reason than he had a Spanish accent, how is that helping WP? The surname Skořepa shows as Skořepa in English sources in Google Scholar, let alone in Czech ones, and this hockey player is just as notable as many others. Are you going to nominate for deletion any Czech Extraliga player whom someone tries to give a Czech name? In ictu oculi (talk) 08:24, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Not even questionable, tonnes of sources out there. -DJSasso (talk) 18:17, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
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