Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Alliluyev


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The result was   keep. Spartaz Humbug! 18:28, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Joseph Alliluyev

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Non-notable person per WP:BIO. Person doesn't establish his own notability.  Lugnuts  (talk) 12:06, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - recipient of substantial independent reliable published material. Thusly notable under WP:BIO.  I see no reason to make a special exception in this case. Wily D  14:24, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete. Notability is not inherited. However, in this case, is known (not well) in the news and in books, yet they all stem from his status as the grandson of Stalin. I would argue that he still fails WP:BIO. D ARTH P ANDA duel 14:50, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Family members of famous politicians are notable. See articles about family members of Barack Obama or George W. Bush for example. --Tocino 20:42, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFF  Lugnuts  (talk) 08:51, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect to Joseph Stalin. Did do nothing to warrant separate article, but being the only grandson of Stalin might be interesting for people research Stalin, thus the merge. - Mgm|(talk) 21:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep If the grandmother of Barak Obama (who is not yet President of the USA, and may indeed not become so) is in, then the grandson of a head of state and one of the most prominent figures of the 20th century (who actually knew him) can surely be accorded a small amount of space. Guthrum (talk) 22:19, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * KeepScanlan (talk) 01:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Why? should it be kept?


 * Delete- notability is not inherited. If this person was not related to Stalin nobody would ever have heard of him. Reyk  YO!  08:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * KEEP-If notability is not inherited, then it isn't relative either. We should deleted the siblings, parents or grandparents of notable people as well. Such as Madelyn Dunham Grandmother of Barack Obama. The Article is weak and needs to be expanded and cited, but, there are plenty of insubstantial articles such as this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaz171 (talk • contribs) 17:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * :WP:OTHERSTUFF  Lugnuts  (talk) 08:51, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. Enough third-party sources, including a few full-length obituaries in prominent sources, to satisfy WP:BIO as I read it. --Delirium (talk) 09:57, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  14:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep There are multiple obituaries and other articles published about Alliluyev. While these sources need to be better integrated into the article, the reliable and verifiable sources do satisfy the Notability standard. Need for cleanup is not a reason for deletion. I will reconsider my vote if the article is updated in the immediate future. Alansohn (talk) 03:48, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect - As is the usual case with marginally notable relatives. See Malia Obama for reference. Alliluyev does not indicated individual notability.  TN ‑  X   - Man  14:21, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep It's a historical article!!! --Mr. Mario (talk) 02:25, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - seems notable enough, it's a matter of interest really rather than pure reference. I have his obituary in a copy of today's The Independent so I'll add more info when I have the time.--89.241.70.144 (talk) 18:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


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