Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Barnett (Jack the Ripper suspect)


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The result was keep. RL0919 (talk) 16:24, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Joseph Barnett (Jack the Ripper suspect)

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I'd suggest merging this toJack the Ripper suspects. However he isn't listed there, which is curious since his relationship with a victim and a profession involving knives would surely have led the police to look at him. I think that this is nonsensical fluff. TheLongTone (talk) 13:09, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 13:17, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 13:17, 31 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment - -  he actually is in the suspects article (permalink) - and the amount of google-book hits (yes, a GHITS - but GBOOKHITS is a bit stronger...) - gbook search ("Joseph Barnett" ripper) - is such that the subject is plausibly notable. Icewhiz (talk) 13:23, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - per research by Icewhiz. Clearly established notability according to me. WP:GNG met.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:35, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep per WP:NEXIST. The Mammoth Book of Jack the Ripper, The Complete Jack The Ripper A-Z - The Ultimate Guide to The Ripper Mystery, (An entire chapter devoted to the subject here Jack the Ripper: The Suspects: The Suspects, The Telegraph, and also less reliable WP:PUS The Daily Mail and LAD Bible Lightburst (talk) 21:21, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Probably Keep there is a lot of material on Barnett, not just because he has been suspected by later writers, but also due to the fact that due to his relationship to the fifth canonical victim Mary Jane Kelly (who is arguably the most written about victim), he was interviewed by both police and the press at the time of the murder. However if it is felt that it is too much of a problem that he is only notable for his connection to Kelly then I would suggest that as well as the Jack the Ripper suspects it should be considered whether any material should be merged to Mary Jane Kelly. Dunarc (talk) 22:54, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * However I would also add that the article needs work and some of its claims are speculative or questionable. For instance I have never heard the claim made in this article that "After Annie Chapman's death, an envelope that belonged to Barnett was found in the courtyard of Hanbury Street, who could've have lost it when he committed the murder" before and there is no citation for it. There is an online article arguing that a scrap of envelope found with Chapman that could have been addressed to Barnett, but this has been challenged and refuted. I would think if an envelope with his name had been found as this claim suggests it would be very widely known. Dunarc (talk) 23:00, 4 August 2019 (UTC)


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