Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Choe


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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:17, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Joseph Choe

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SPA-created, painfully strained ("He was recognized as one of Harvard's preeminent student leaders in Rise Magazine") promotional article on your usual multitalented (plays clarinet, etc.) Harvard student whose claims to notability are:
 * "On April 29, 2015 Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe went to Harvard to partake in a session of the JFK Jr. Forum. After his speech, Choe confronted him about his position on comfort women"; and
 * "During a Q&A session after Trump’s speech, Choe began to ask a question regarding Trump’s factually incorrect statement earlier that year regarding the U.S.’ defense spending in South Korea, in which he stated that South Korea contributes "nothing" to the defense spending on the Korean peninsula. Trump interrupted him by asking, "Are you from South Korea?" Choe replied, “I was born in Texas, raised in Colorado,” which drew cheers from the crowd."

'''I've cut the article to a stub because, on reflection, it seems likely this is an attempt to embarrass the subject by making him appear egocentric. The version as I found it is here '''—‌complete with cites to facebook and other sources authored by the subject himself.

While we're at it: User:Ekmun10/sandbox. EEng (talk) 05:15, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
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 * Hi my name is Lola. I think this page is totally fine. It's literally what the media has been writing about him. Nothing egocentric at all. It's probly one of his 10,000 fans who wrote it for him. Approve it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lolitaboop (talk • contribs) — Lolitaboop (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Maolm: Why is this up for deletion? It's a completely legitimate page with legitimate sources.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maolm (talk • contribs) 20:59, 17 October 2015 (UTC)  — Maolm (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Almost all the sources are written or published by the subject himself. The few left are WP:BLP1E. EEng (talk) 21:37, 17 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment EEng, I think editing a page where you remove most of it's content before you submit it for deletion isn't really appropriate. You should have left it on the page so other could easily view it and give fair judgement rather than have to go back through the page history to see what your talking about.  Secondly...are those sock-puppets or 14 year-olds? Anyways, I wanted to put this separate from my reasoning for my vote. Thank you for reading. Peachywink (talk) 00:19, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You could easily view the content via the handy link I provided (now bolded above). The nonsense comments are likely from Harvard students with too much time on their hands—‌note such activity died down with Monday's resumption of classes. EEng (talk) 00:34, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for reading and bolding it, sorry I didn't see it before. But...I still don't think the people who wrote those comments got in to Harvard. That school still requires essay submissions. Peachywink (talk) 00:54, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Harvard students can play the fool when they want to. Trust me on this. EEng (talk) 01:12, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

This is absolutely frustrating. You can't read Korean, so you don't know that all the Korean media has made him essentially a star in Korea. If you look at Joeseph's facebook page (facebook.com/joechoe23), you will see that he has more than 10,000 followers.
 * Strong Delete After viewing a previous edit of the page from before EEng basically pre-deleted it, I found that it had some real sources along with the bad ones they mentioned. However, none of them make J. Choe seem notable.  Even if he was a part of a small circulated news story the fact remains that the events are what's notable in these stories, not him.  The guy who got tazed asking a question to Senator Kerry didn't get his own page either. Peachywink (talk) 00:19, 21 October 2015 (UTC
 * Delete I don't think that the original content made a credible claim of significance. Even if it did, I think this falls under temporary notability, which does not exist.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   02:54, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Also, NBC just released this piece on him: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/are-you-south-korea-harvard-student-speaks-out-about-trump-n447496 — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrustratedAF (talk • contribs) 10:53, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I actually already read the NBC article you linked to. In it there is this great line "But it wasn't Choe's question that made the headlines: it was Trump's response." Even if it hadn't said that directly the article proves it by focusing more on Trumps words. As for Korean media, there was only one Korean language source cited and it was a news video of a short discussion, in a news studio, on the trump debate incident. Peachywink (talk) 14:25, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Wanna see more links? Trust me. In korea, joseph is VERY VERY popular (did u see facebook?). ok i will admit that the articles began by focusing on trump, but now they are all about "Joseph (최민우) Syndrome" as one of the links wrote.

http://www.yonhapnews.co.kr/bulletin/2015/10/14/0200000000AKR20151014000300072.HTML http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/international/america/712767.html http://www.segye.com/content/html/2015/10/14/20151014002238.html http://m.news.naver.com/newspaper/read.nhn?date=20151014&aid=0002931867&oid=022 http://www.insight.co.kr/article.php?ArtNo=36126 http://media.daum.net/foreign/all/newsview?newsid=20151013070400761 http://news.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2015/10/13/2015101301243.html http://news.sbs.co.kr/news/endPage.do?news_id=N1003215134 http://www.mbn.co.kr/pages/vod/programView.mbn?bcastSeqNo=1107814 http://www.mbn.co.kr/pages/vod/programView.mbn?bcastSeqNo=1107824 http://news.jtbc.joins.com/article/article.aspx?news_id=NB11060655&pDate=20151014 http://www.huffingtonpost.kr/2015/10/13/story_n_8282834.html?1444702741 http://news.joins.com/article/18858554?cloc=joongang%7Chome%7Cnewslist1big http://www.wikitree.co.kr/main/news_view.php?id=235644&fb=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6JU9WDqaTM http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/international/america/712571.html http://www.yonhapnewstv.co.kr/MYH20151014010100038/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY1lcU5IkS0 http://news.sbs.co.kr/news/endPage.do?news_id=N1003215145&oaid=N1003215134&plink=NEXTREPLY&cooper=SBSNEWSEND&cmd=NEXTPLAY&select=CONFIRM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWG7C17nod8 http://www.yonhapnewstv.co.kr/MYH20151014010100038/ http://bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/gallery/view.html?b_bbs_id=10044&num=200374 http://postshare.co.kr/archives/52544#cb http://blog.donga.com/kem7chul/archives/16946 http://m.news.naver.com/read.nhn?mode=LSD&mid=sec&sid1=102&oid=057&aid=0000798650 http://news.jtbc.joins.com/html/732/NB11059732.html http://m.kmib.co.kr/view.asp?arcid=0009953739&code=61131511&sid1=int http://www.asiatoday.co.kr/view.php?key=20151014001703373 http://hankookilbo.com/v/4c91278f538b4558bda597e06669e221 http://hooc.heraldcorp.com/view.php?ud=20151013000652 http://www.pickis.co.kr/69014 http://www.dispatch.co.kr/393962 http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2015/10/116_188694.html http://www.isstime.co.kr/view/?nid=201510131539235636384 http://news.ichannela.com/tv/speak/3/all/20151014/74165971/1 http://news.ichannela.com/tv/totala/3/all/20151013/74154071/2 http://news.jtbc.joins.com/html/732/NB11059732.html http://www.ytn.co.kr/_ln/0104_201510140805462603 http://www.yonhapnews.co.kr/bulletin/2015/10/13/0200000000AKR20151013013700071.HTML http://www.yonhapnews.co.kr/bulletin/2015/10/13/0200000000AKR20151013156151009.HTML?input=1195m http://www.yonhapnews.co.kr/bulletin/2015/10/13/0200000000AKR20151013156151009.HTML http://m.news.naver.com/newspaper/read.nhn?date=20151014&aid=0002931867&oid=022 http://mbn.mk.co.kr/pages/news/newsView.php?category=mbn00009&news_seq_no=2592577 http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?mode=LSD&mid=sec&sid1=104&oid=022&aid=0002931640 http://theslot.jezebel.com/donald-trump-manages-to-insult-and-interrupt-multiple-a-1736099556 http://sputniknews.com/world/20151013/1028437737/trump-south-korea-defense.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzidgP5kzvI http://hankookilbo.com/v/60c9a64ef0714c94a8f3349dbf7de07e https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdA5Vw3k7Zc&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgSCf90YPic&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9fVwk3gTvI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzzrYbtvHiI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzzrYbtvHiI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ08g8F5Q50 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koreanfanofjoseph (talk • contribs) 02:50, 23 October 2015 (UTC)  — koreanfanofjoseph (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Please remember to sign your post. It's simple you just type four ~ in a row with no spaces at the end of your post and then it get written in for you when you save the edit.  Now, I looked over all those sources and I could write a long paragraph going through the various problems with many of them. But your username suggests you wouldn't care and that you have no plans to be objective so why bother? Peachywink (talk) 05:44, 23 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete - No indication of lasting notability.  Onel 5969  TT me 03:36, 24 October 2015 (UTC)


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