Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph DeLuca (racing driver)


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The result was delete. Deor (talk) 12:37, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Joseph DeLuca (racing driver)

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Non-notable 9/11 victim; violates BLP1E WP:ONEEVENT; delete or turn into redirect to Flight 93 article  Orange Mike  &#124;  Talk  14:02, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect - On the one hand, non-notable as such. On the other hand, deserves to be found in list.  Robert McClenon (talk) 14:27, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * delete because a redirect from a parenthetical DAB page is pretty useless- who is ever going to land there to be redirected? - belated sign -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  01:07, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep He was awarded the Congressional Gold Medal, the highest civilian award issued in the United States. All recipients of the Congressional Medal of Honor are considered notable and in most cases those people are just famous for one thing. So BLP1E shouldn't apply here either....William 16:55, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Notability isn't there, as a BLP1E. The Congressional Gold Medal was awarded to each of the sites where people died in the 9/11 attacks: one medal to the Flight 93 crash site, one to the Pentagon, and one to the World Trade Center. That doesn't mean we should create nearly 3,000 articles for each of the people who died there; Wikipedia is not a memorial. While I don't have a strong objection to a redirect, I don't think it's very helpful either. --Larry (talk) 22:47, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per the Red Pen. Redirecting is indeed useless. WP:ONEEVENT applies, not WP:BLP1E. He also doesn't qualify as a "racing driver". Clarityfiend (talk) 00:37, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect or Strong Keep if the first option is not agreeable by consensus. As per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Subjects_notable_only_for_one_event, BLP1E is not applicable in the case of DeLuca. He meets the second qualification of being low profile; however, he does not meet the first qualification in that he is not living.. It would be helpful to know more about his racing career and more importantly his artistry for the SCCA. Unless somebody steps up with that information, DeLuca remains non-the-less, more notable than anybody posting thoughts here as evidenced by his receipt of the Congressional Gold Medal whether it was received posthumously as part of a group or not and is deserving of resepct. As such, it would be most useful for quick research purposes for the United Flight 93 page to list, perhaps in chart form, all the passengers and crew on the flight that crashed in ÷Shanksville, PA.....including the name of Joseph DeLuca in order to balance the site with the heavy discussion about the hijackers Taram (talk) 04:00, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:ONEEVENT vs. WP:BLP1E. Being "more notable than wikipedians" is utterly irrelevant. - The Bushranger One ping only 07:05, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:BLP1E does not apply as he is dead. I never wrote "more notable than wikipedians." Let's stick with what is written, please.Taram (talk) 15:28, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Interesting point about WP:ONEEVENT. That leads to the question, is he significant for NNJR-SSCA to keep his memory alive because of his involvement in racing and in their racing publication or because of the crash, the one event. It would be nice for Mottengott (talk) to chime in as to why he started the article. Taram (talk) 17:27, 22 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment Joseph DeLuca meets notability as per WP:Artist. He created the cartoon character "Raymond the Cat," his cartoons of Raymond appeared in New Jersey region racing mags as well as San Francisco Regions' WHEEL and Cal Club Regions' newspaper. The NNJR has preserved and maintained the "Adventures of Raymond the Cat" cartoons as a significant monument to the racers and flaggers in that region.Taram (talk) 04:42, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Creating a character seen in hobby/speciality/club publicatoins does not confer notability. - The Bushranger One ping only 07:05, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Please clarify using the points in WP:Artist. Thanks!Taram (talk) 19:41, 22 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete and/or redirect to United Airlines Flight 93. DeLuca is not notable for his racing career. His cartooning career does not rise to the level of notability. Flight 93, while tragic, was a WP:ONEEVENT and with regards to the medal he is only notable as part of the group, not individually. - The Bushranger One ping only 07:05, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The hatnote in Joseph Deluca could just be redirected to Flight 93. Who's going to look for the "racing driver"? Clarityfiend (talk) 10:23, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I am not sure who would look for DeLuca while doing research. I assume it would be somebody studying one of the three categories listed on his page. That said, I agree with Clarityfiend (talk) that "The hatnote in Joseph Deluca could (should?) just be redirected to Flight 93."


 * Already discussed in 2004 -- DeLuca's page was already discussed at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Joseph_DeLuca. That discussion seems to consider the same Joseph DeLuca as Joseph DeLuca (racing driver), because the woman listed as his new girlfriend also on Flight 93 with DeLuca at the NNJR-SSCA site is also mentioned as a possibility for deletion at that discussion. "The result of the debate was transwiki to Wikimemorial." Rather than redoing the debate of ten years ago, why not figure out what was done with the page then (if anything), abide by that decision, and point this page created in 2013 to that site? Taram (talk) 17:16, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Consensus can change, and notability standards have changed drastically since then. Also Joseph Deluca is not the same person as Joseph DeLuca (racing driver). - The Bushranger One ping only 04:55, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * ReplySo you are saying that you have changed your earlier vote and that the Joseph DeLuca (racing driver) page should be a strong keep and maintained, now. Very well. You are right that the current Joseph Deluca is not the same person as Joseph DeLuca (racing driver); however, I never said that they were, so your argument is irrelevant. Both articles that I mentioned (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Joseph_DeLuca and Joseph DeLuca (racing driver)) are about the same person. Read the link that I provided and try too respond to what has been written, please. Taram (talk) 06:48, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete One event - the subject's racing career and involvement with the SCCA is completely non-notable by WP:MOTORSPORT standards. -Drdisque (talk) 02:50, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
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