Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Keating


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete, consensus is that the article fails the notability guidelines. Davewild (talk) 18:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Joseph Keating

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Non-notable mayor of a small town. No assertion of notability, no references.  BradV  19:26, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * KEEP Joseph Keating because he is a CITY MAYOR not a "small town mayor". Go to Pittston and Luzerne County, Pennsylvania's wiki links and they will tell you that Pittston was incorporated as a CITY in 1894. If Luzerne County's three other city mayors have a wiki sight, then why not the fourth CITY and it's MAYOR of Pittston, Joseph Keating, have one too?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joesr55 (talk • contribs) 20:05, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment Don't be so quick to have a go at someone else. Certainly in the UK Pittston would be considered a small town based largely on it's size as we don't incorporate cities the same way as in the US.  I don't know if the proposer is based in the UK but don't be so quick to assume they are delibrately belittling either the city or its mayor. See WP:CIVIL. Dpmuk (talk) 20:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Regardless of what kind of legal entity it is, it has a population of 8,000. Where I live that's a village.  BradV  20:16, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete As it stands the article gives no reason why the mayor is notable and so fails WP:N, as being the mayor of a small city is not itself notable. Dpmuk (talk) 20:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions.   —• Gene93k (talk) 03:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions.   —• Gene93k (talk) 03:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete There is no inherent notability in being the mayor of a small town of 8,000. Typically such an official will only have local news coverage and will fail WP:N. If he is inherently notable, then every mayor of any town of 8,000 or larger throughout history would have inherent notability, and I have seen no consensus for that. Edison (talk) 03:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, individual is well below the standard for WP:POLITICIAN. For that matter, so are Lou Barletta and Thomas M. Leighton (even Wilkes-Barre is under 50,000). His predecessor Tom McGroarty is barely more than a stub. If there is a mayor of Nanticoke with a page (John Tool is the incumbent), I couldn't find it. --Dhartung | Talk 05:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable. Relevant information belongs in the Pittston article. Jasynnash2 (talk) 10:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete If this were merged with the article on the city/town/whatever itself, there would be no change in content. --Earin (talk) 17:23, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep First of all, according to the United States: "populations of 8,000 or larger" are not considered "TOWNS" like the previous speaker continues to portray it as; THEY ARE CITIES !!! Not as notable as New York City, but if they are considered cities by Luzerne County, one of the most populated, largest in landsize, and notable counties in all of Pennsylvania, then it is worthy for Wikidedia. The Luzerne County link is very proud of its four cities, which includes Pittston. For this notable county to even consider Pittston as a city then Wikipedia must too. Remember: On the WIKIPEDIA wedsite for Pittston it says that Pittston was "incorporated as a city". This can not be disbuted: United States of America, Pennsylvania, and Luzerne County, and even Wikipedia consider Pittston to be a CITY !!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.181.157.186 (talk • contribs)
 * Delete it's too small a city (or town, whichever word you'd like) to justify notability ex officio. Vickser (talk) 13:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Stop getting so up tight on whether people call it a town or city. I'm sure every one here will happily apccept it's been designated a city but this does not mean that this is a term they themselves would use in everyday life as different countries have different defintions and so they may call it a town regardless of its offical designation and mean no offence by this (as discussed above).  Ultimately what one person would call this settlement is irrelevant to this discussion.  The discussion here is whether the mayor is notable enough to have his own article.  The size of the settlement is largely unrelated to this and being mayor of a city does not automatically make him notable although obviously mayors of large cities (which this clearly isn't) are likely to meet notability requirements easily as just by becoming mayor they are likely to get significant press coverage.  Could we please now keep this discussion to whether the mayor is notable enough for his own article rather than discuss what this settlement should be called. Dpmuk (talk) 13:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comments The countries of Nauru (10,000), Palau (16,000), Tavalu (9,700), and the Vatican City (less than 1,000) have populations close to that of Pittston. If these countries can be called "countries" then Pittston can be called a "City". And if these lands have websites proclaiming their leaders, then why not Pittston? Pittston City Mayor, Joe Keating is notable because he governs over a city that represents the Greater Pittston Area. The Greater Pittston Area has a total population of over 50,000 people, and covers over a landmass of 65.5 square miles. JOSEPH KEATING is notable because of what his city has been through over the course of the last few decades. The city has been through an economic depression since the 1980's, in which it lost 10,000 + people since the loss of manufacturing jobs. TheKnox Mine disaster, Battle of Wyoming, Bufilino Crime Spree, and much more history occurred in the Greater Pittston. Mayor Tom Leighton is also notable because of what his city went through: Economic Depression !!! That's why he has his own wikipedia website. Lou Barletta is notable because he is running for U.S. Congress and is a strong advocate for ending illegal immigration in his city of Hazelton. These are all notable mayors of cities (that have populations equivalent to or greater than some countries in the world). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.181.157.186 (talk • contribs)
 * Do you have any reliable sources to back up your claims? If so, put them in the article and it will likely be kept.  BradV  14:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: This AfD does not propose to delete the article on Pittston nor that on Greater Pittston; the AfD concerns whether the article on Joseph Keating is to be retained. —SlamDiego&#8592;T 13:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment:The assertion that this mayor is on par with notability with Lou Barletta is laughable. Barletta was the face of one of the country's toughest illegal immigrant laws and got his city sued for it.  (although interestingly, none of this made it into Barletta's article)  The coverage of that alone is enough to throw one over the top. Montco (talk) 10:16, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comments: I put in a "Reference" section today. Sources are now cited. I also added important, factual information. Now let us end this debate and give the City Mayor article back to the readers of Wikipedia  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.181.132.243 (talk) 18:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: Bradv asked you for reliable sources for the claims to notability that you made in the comments above, not merely for the few claims about Keating that are made in the article. Those few claims don't establish notability for Keating. —SlamDiego&#8592;T 13:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, moving any peculiar, properly sourced content to other articles. Just three sentences of the eight sentences in the article are actually concerned with Mayor Keating.  The content of those three sentences is, in sum: that he's the mayor, that economic conditions were tough when he took office in '05, and that some people want him out because they think that he's corrupt or ineffectual.  The political unit of which he is the chief elected official is just 8000 people, and he's been mayor for less than four years. —SlamDiego&#8592;T 13:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete pending any sourcing to establish notability. Just being a elected doesn't necessarily confer instant notability.  If there was really something notable going on with this guy, then the author should be able to run over to the Times-Tribune or The Times Leader archives (the larger news rags in NEPA) and find something substantive.  And if they can't be bothered to cover him, I guess he isn't all that notable.  Montco (talk) 10:06, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


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