Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Kevin Bracken


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The result was delete. While there was a close numerical division of opinion, the delete are more policy compliant. The strongest keep !vote pointed out sourcing, but they were trivial mentions rather than substantive information useful in article building. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  01:46, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Joseph Kevin Bracken

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Delete: Notability derived almost wholly as father of Brendan Bracken and notability is not inherited. Part about GAA already contained in Brendan Bracken and GAA articles. Most of his stub of a life story is already contained in a few lines in the Brendan Bracken article. Quis separabit? 17:20, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Notability about the GAA cannot be inherited from his son. As a founder, he is notable enough in his own right. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:43, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 21:02, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
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 * @Laurel Lodged: respectfully I must disagree. Of the seven founding names given in History of the Gaelic Athletic Association, two (John McKay, Joseph O'Ryan) have no articles. Therefore, ipso facto, co-founding the GAA, does not it and of itself entitle one to automatic notability and therefore a Wikipedia article. Thus, J.K. Bracken is not notable solely as a GAA co-founder, and the remainder of his article is almost exclusively family details, namely son Brendan. Quis separabit?  22:21, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment The only source cited merely mentions Joseph Kevin Bracken briefly, in a passage about his son. Joseph Kevin Bracken may or may not satisfy Wikipedia's notability guidelines, but the present sourcing of the article does not show that he does so. Laurel Lodged, if you know of sources which establish his notability, please add them to the article, because just stating "he is notable enough in his own right" without providing evidence is not enough. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 22:39, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:20, 21 June 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JAaron95  &#40; Talk &#41;  07:52, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - he was quite a notable man in his times, according to this account, credited as a transcript from the Tipperary Star, but the text seems to have been (partly?) already published here in Tipperary: History and Society: Interdisciplinary Essays on the History of an Irish County (1985). He's also mentioned here, here and here. Kraxler (talk) 19:37, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * delete extremely marginal notability, not enough for an article. DGG (at NYPL) -- reply here 23:52, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


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