Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Minala


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The result was   delete. This one's admittedly tricky. The greatest concern appears to be that given the subject has yet to play in a pro game, he fails specific notability of athletes (NFOOTBALL), leaving the general notability guideline (GNG); so, we turn to the sources, in which the most substantial, significant, and reliable coverage is over a single controversy and his response. As the controversy+response is considered an "event" by our standards, and especially because the subject clearly feels harmed by it, this very much embodies the spirit of our policy of avoiding harm with living-people biographies because it ends up falling back on being a biography that is notable due to a single event (BLP1E). Should he actually end up playing in a way that meets NFOOTBALL, for example, or truly becomes obviously notable on a seperate track for GNG, then there's a better policy-and-guideline-based rationale for keeping/re-creating the article, as simply finding it interesting or curious is unfortunately insufficient. slakr \ talk / 03:05, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Joseph Minala

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PROD contested by IP, no reason provided. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Controversy in media about age is case of WP:BLP1E. GiantSnowman 15:17, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Per nom, only notable for a one-off event and fails WP:NFOOTBALL too. JMHamo (talk) 16:38, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - he's a pro footballer and as such deserves an entry.--&#91;&#91;User:Doris Kami&#93;&#93; (talk) 19:30, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * on what policy or guidelines is that based? GiantSnowman 12:42, 14 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - hasn't played in a pro league yet so fails WP:NFOOTBALL. ukexpat (talk) 22:22, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'm confused. How old is he? Nfitz (talk) 03:13, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep passes WP:GNG, per ""Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a passing mention but it need not be the main topic of the source material"  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 12:24, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * you have failed to answer the WP:BLP1E aspect. GiantSnowman 12:42, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:GNG > BLP1E.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 12:44, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * But GNG isn't met when all the coverage is related to one issue. That is not the "significant coverage" required by GNG. GiantSnowman 12:47, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * But BLP1E also fails for thousands of footy bios of Joe Bloggs who made one appearence for one club in 1903. GNG and plenty of WP:RS easily beats it, and therefore making this person meet WP:N.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 13:10, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Not at all; if the footballer meets WP:NFOOTBALL then BLP1E does not apply. What notability guideline does this article meet? Please don't say GNG again. GiantSnowman 13:13, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, it does, as they were only famous/notable for one event. This guy meets GNG.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 14:14, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * No, BLP1E does not apply to footballers with 1 appearance as there is no degree of notability in WP:NFOOTBALL - you are notable whether you have 1 or 10 or 100 appearances. John Smith, who made 1 appearance in 1903, is notable for being a professional footballer; he is not notable for the actual individual appearance. Would you argue that John Smith, who won one gold medal in the 1908 Olympics, is a case of BLP1E? And again, where is the "significant coverage" that is not related to his age i.e. the one event that has given him any note? GiantSnowman 14:21, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, BLP1E does apply. Esp. when you have a bio that has no birth/death info, nothing above "he played 1 game for x club". But your missing the point. This article meets WP:GNG. Now continue with your hounding of editors who dare to disagree with you.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 19:29, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't. Please take an article where the player has 1 appearance to AFD, citing BLP1E, and see how well you do. It may well get deleted on GNG grounds, but it would never get deleted on BLP1E. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. GiantSnowman 19:33, 14 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - The case is interesting and merits attention. After reading scattered information on the web, it was nice to come to Wikipedia and find the info summarised with a good list of references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.40.79.203 (talk) 15:21, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: "interesting and merits attention" does not make the subject notable.--ukexpat (talk) 15:43, 14 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete: Surely a basic requirement for any BLP is that it is about someone who has done something or been something of an enduring nature. This guy has had his age mistaken. We probably all have in our lives. The fact that in his case he is associated with Lazio does not make him notable.--Egghead06 (talk) 18:33, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep  Given the coverage he was getting in the international media before the whole age thing blew up, the WP:BLP1E issue isn't applicable.  Nfitz (talk) 01:52, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * What coverage was he receiving that wasn't WP:ROUTINE? JMHamo (talk) 01:55, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * " It was routine, but that isn't the threshold for WP:BLP1E. It states that If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event and If that person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual..  So neither WP:ROUTINE nor WP:CRYSTAL are applicable here. WP:BLP1E in particular sets out the possibility of future notability, thus explicity removing WP:CRYSTAL and setting a lower threshold. Nfitz (talk) 18:02, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per mom. – Michael (talk) 03:07, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - per nom. Agree the question about his age is WP:BLP1E, it received a few reports, but was quickly denied and does not seem to be part of any wider news story, nor does it seemed to have attracted any long term news attention. Fenix down (talk) 15:41, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - a relativly well sourced article and there is a relativly interesting story about this person. I could see why someone would want to delete it but I think Wikipedia should keep this article.Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 17:19, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - Minala's case is curious and widely commented. Moreover, he is a member of S.S. Lazio. Matvilho (talk) 02:13, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - but he has not played fortheir senior team so, as has been stated numerous times above fails WP:NFOOTY. In addition, curiosity about a player does not turn BLP1E into GNG. Fenix down (talk) 12:24, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
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