Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph N. Hall (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 21:46, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Joseph N. Hall
Non notable person. I certainly have nothing against User:Joe n bloe, but I don't think this belongs in an encyclopedia. This is the second time this article has been nominated. For review, please see the first nomination. Also note the user history of the user who recreated the page. Ktdreyer 22:37, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Cf. Mark Jason Dominus whose page was nominated twice. (He's a friend of mine whose position in the Perl community is I think fairly comparable.) You guys can do what you want, but I have about 25,000 Google hits, a (very well known and consistently very well reviewed) book, 2 years of articles in .login;, other national publications, and a personal history in the 1970s (unrelated to Perl obviously) that made me known to probably 10-25% of the US population at one time or another. I don't know the person who put the page back but people will continue to do so IMO. If you vote to "keep" I will fix it so that it's accurate. As far as WP:BIO goes it meets: "Published authors, editors and photographers who received multiple independent reviews of or awards for their work" and (for print and video coverage from about 1975-1977 of my history as a child prodigy and survivor of acute lymphocytic leukemia) "Persons achieving renown or notoriety for their involvement in newsworthy events / The person has been the primary subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the person." For example 1975 interview on ABC Evening News, August 1976 Reader's Digest article entitled "Prodigy from Plumtree", Visit to the White House (page 4), Reference to appearance on Tom Synder's late night Tomorrow Show. I don't know who User:Ktdreyer is but I've never heard of him and this is one of only two or three articles he's proposed (re-proposed this time) for deletion. Joseph N Hall 23:39, 25 August 2006 (UTC); updated Joseph N Hall 01:21, 26 August 2006 (UTC); URLs Joseph N Hall 01:36, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, author of a notable book. Possible merge with the book article, but given the scope for expansion indicated above that seems unnecessary. Kappa 01:51, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 12:51, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete for now, unless secondary reference are included which substantiate notability. Addhoc 13:22, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I'm going to take a crack at this. Joseph N Hall 13:45, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete. No real notability established. -- Necrothesp 13:57, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak keep: marginally notable for Effective Perl Programming alone. Joe, none of the other articles/incidents help your WP:BIO case if they are not mentioned and cited in the article; that said, it is awkward (per WP:VAIN) for you to write your own article.  bikeable (talk) 22:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah I'm aware of that. I really don't want to work on it because I have very mixed feelings about that period, but on the other hand I can provide a starting point. Please see User:Joe_n_bloe/Play and let me know if that seems acceptable. Many people have remained genuinely curious even after 30 years. On the other other hand, I'm not sure I want the nutjobs to start tracking me down again. Meanwhile, back to the book: many Perl authors (and authors in general) have stubs in Wikipedia, and I personally find them very useful, especially if they do include a bit of biographical material. Joseph N Hall 23:35, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep as the author of a notable book, meets my interpretation of WP:BIO inclusionary guidelines. RFerreira 07:16, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep as the author of a notable book, and possibly more books in the future. bbx 08:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep as the user who created the page (I didn't know I was recreating it at the time) I think it is odd that an entry for the book is acceptable but not the man who wrote it (the book has been known in the Perl community for a considerable length of time) and that's why I added the entry. It might be fair to say this should be combined into the book entry. I knew there were other reasons for Joseph's notability going back to the seventies, unrelated to the book, but didn't know all the details. Micmath 22:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * keep please the person looks very notable to me Yuckfoo 00:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


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