Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Philippe Lemercier Laroche


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. This one's been open for a little while, so I'll close it. Consensus here is that the subject meets the GNG. (non-admin closure) Steven   Zhang  DR goes to Wikimania! 02:16, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Joseph Philippe Lemercier Laroche

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 * Delete. Except for connection with Titanic, not notable. There were 1,500 other fatalities. 90% of them were WP:NN either. Citations do not provide any suggestion of notability. Student7 (talk) 00:57, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. None of the other passenger victims were black. An Ebony magazine article and other sources attest to this distinction and the lack of notice it received until recently. A three-act opera was based on his life, according to Atlanta magazine. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:21, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 19:57, 19 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - based on WP:GNG and WP:RS, this should be kept; but from WP:ONEEVENT, I'd lean against it. What do others think? Bearian (talk) 18:41, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. The claim, and it is just a claim, he was the only black passenger to die (others lived). Are they claiming that there were no black stewards or cooks who died? Or other staff? A bit elitist if the crew were overlooked IMO. Also, the claim is very 1990s PC. What about the only Tibetan? Or only Native American? Or only Peruvian? Or only follower of Zoroaster. This can be carried on ad infiniturm without improving the encyclopedia very much. Bearian has hit on the correct answer with ONEEVENT. People need more for true notability. Student7 (talk) 11:42, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. It isn't "just a claim". Did you not notice the multiple references backing it up? Also, he was the only black passenger period (unless you count his two half black/half white daughters). If there had been a sole Tibetan or Native American or Zoroastrian Titanic fatality, perhaps they too would have been written about or had operas based on them many decades later. Laroche did. To me, that shows long-term notability. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:14, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. The opera based on his life, his relationship to Haitian President Leconte, and his unique experience on the RMS Titanic more than establish his notability. Am86 (talk) 03:50, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Reasonably rescued by Clarityfiend. Locador (talk) 04:32, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.