Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Josh Christopher (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 19:45, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Josh Christopher
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A previously deleted AfD Here. High school basketball player with some buzz about him but mostly routine outside of having a notable sibling (which some of the citations reference. For this individual, it is WP:TOOSOON and currently Fails WP:NBASKETBALL. Fails WP:ATHLETE WP:NCOLLATH. Bhockey10 (talk) 02:32, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: I am the creator of the article. Christopher passes WP:GNG with feature stories from the national publications Sports Illustrated and Bleacher Report (both published since the first AfD was closed), as well as significant coverage in articles by various California newspapers and recruiting websites. Although many of the sources do mention his siblings, Christopher is clearly the focus of these articles. Sportzeditz (talk) 04:44, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep fails the basketball SNG but passes GNG. Has a Sports Illustrated piece written specifically about him, Bleacher Report did a write-up on him, and while the LA Times article is from the local area of the subject, it's still a very major newspaper, so getting an article in there means something.  Subjects can be a WP:NBASKETBALL fail and still pass GNG in rare cases.  For instance, Zion Williamson was GNG-notable before he ever graduated high school. Hog Farm (talk) 15:27, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: The SI article does talk about him, rightly so as a highly recruited college prospect, but the main subject of that article is the basketball family (i.e his notable siblings). Even the title speaks to that- Family Tree Is Paving the Way for Success. As I said in the opening, he fails GNG for now... WP:SPORTBASIC is also pretty clear on the issue. WP:NBASKETBALL and actually the other Professional sports people guidelines are also clear that this subject has not competed at the highest amateur level (Olympics), been a top draft pick, played in the top pro-league (auto notable), or broke elite amateur records such as Olympic or NCAA D1 records. The coverage of a college prospects falls into trivial and more concerning for WP:BLPs, the problem with coverage of college prospects, is that it goes into WP:TOOSOON and WP:NOTCRYSTAL because the entire premise of the WP:Routine coverage is speculative on their future basketball careers. Bhockey10 (talk) 16:56, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: His only notable sibling is his brother, who is mentioned in many sources but is not the focus of them. Most, if not all, of the cited sources focus on Christopher. The criteria you mentioned do not apply if the subject of the article passes WP:GNG. Sportzeditz (talk) 18:31, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: The criteria I mentioned help support WP:GNG (or lack of). He fails GNG and the others for now. Sources that could qualify as significant coverage are the Sports Illustrated and Bleacher Report articles but those largely focus on his future prospective in the context of a basketball family, including his notable sibling(s). Other sources in the article can support GNG but not establish it on their own. Those are 1) routine and local coverage 2) collegiate recruiting news niche sources. He currently fails the major GNG criteria of "significant". Also being in the heart of CBB recruiting cycle, GNG guidelines make clear that the subject for a stand alone article should be WP:SUSTAINED as well as Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS- i.e. Wikipedia is not a college sports prospect tracker. Bhockey10 (talk) 19:19, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 11:03, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 11:03, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep I wasn't sure that the article passed GNG during the last deletion debate. Now I think he does, as a top high school recruit. There are plenty of sources on him specifically. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 00:01, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - The LA Times article (which is hardly routine local coverage given that the LA metropolitan area is about 10 million people) and the SI article (which is primarily about him) touch the minimum GNG guidelines of significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. The additional coverage (Desert Sun, Bleacher Report) make this a clear GNG pass. Rlendog (talk) 21:28, 28 February 2020 (UTC)


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