Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Josh Ekrem


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Mojo Hand (talk) 22:06, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Josh Ekrem

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Fails WP:NBOX as IBO is not a major title. Fails WP:NMMA as RITC is not a major MMA organization. Bgwhite (talk) 19:09, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 19:21, 13 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete As per nominator.Peter Rehse (talk) 19:21, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep As per nominator. Stryker1981 (talk) 20:52, 13 June 2016 (UTC) Per the standards set forth in Wikipedia, it should re-evaluate statements being made about the IBO not being a major boxing title. In its infancy, not much was known about it, but the IBO Championship is a notable title and is reflected elsewhere on Wikipedia and has been held by some of the greatest boxers the World has known. As another note, this page reflected  other Wiki pages that articulate Josh Ekrem as a title holder. This fighter, although anonymous to most people, is deserving of his due. He fought the majority of his fights in Mexico, and was given an opportunity to fight for a legitimate title that did not make headlines. It was mentioned that this article did not possess links to other Wiki articles about middleweight championships, which it did. Lastly, by the own observation of this poster, there are multiple biography pages of fighters that only held the IBO Championship Title, therefore making his inclusion notable by Wikipedia's own standards. Stryker1981 (talk) 20:52, 13 June 2016 (UTC)  —Preceding undated comment added 20:19, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete: Fails WP:NBOX and WP:GNG. If Stryker has an issue with NBOX, Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports) is the place to take that up.  Toddst1 (talk) 20:58, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 03:13, 14 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment IBO championship claims are not supported by the references given.Peter Rehse (talk) 17:53, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment that was observed this morning. They were there yesterday when I found them. Someone has clearly modified the page; the stat page doesn't even show the last multiple belt holders to include Gennady Golovkin who has made 13 defenses of the belt- hence this list in its current state is inaccurate. Clear modification - was able to locate the original boxrec list.

I am at a loss. I know the boxer is legitimate. Stryker1981 (talk) 18:38, 14 June 2016 (UTC)


 * The edit history for that page on BoxRec is instructive. I would like to see a RS source (non-wiki) that supports the claims.  There is no BoxRec entry for the subject either. Peter Rehse (talk) 20:49, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Stryker1981 (talk) 02:32, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment That has been the best I have been able to find. The sourcing appears as reasonable as I have found for other boxing belt holders as perfect record identification is often incomplete. Stryker1981 (talk) 20:54, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * 'Comment http://boxing.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_IBO_world_champions#Middleweight
 * Comment My thoughts are that this boxer biography stays. I have been doing a lot of comparison and research throughout Wikipedia and his documentation is actually greater than that of other notables that I have located.Stryker1981 (talk) 16:01, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:NBOX and the only source is just a listing of people who have won that title (which doesn't meet NBOX) so he also fails WP:GNG. My search found no significant independent coverage of him.Mdtemp (talk) 14:34, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as still questionable for the applicable notability and examining the article found nothing else to suggest otherwise. SwisterTwister   talk  18:11, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I would suggest to the contrary, being an IBO World champion has extreme applicable notability. Stryker1981 (talk) 04:08, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fails WP:NBOX and WP:GNG. -- Softlavender (talk) 06:40, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


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