Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Josh Logan (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus to delete, defaults to keep. Stifle (talk) 09:19, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Josh Logan
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No notability outside Rock Star Supernova. All relevant hits that I found were tied directly to the show. Was kept at last afd because people felt that the presence of similar pages for American Idol alumni warranted his inclusion, even though notability is almost never inherited. Suggest deletion and moving Josh Logan (country singer) to this title. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 22:06, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep - Logan clearly is notable by virtue of his appearance on a national television program, and being a finalist on that show. I notice that this is the only contestant at this point being targeted for deletion (for the second time now) and I have to question why that is the case (with all due respect and AGF) since he's no more or no less notable than any of the others who weren't selected in the top four winners. As I always do in these cases of selective deletion attempts, I'll simply note the difference between "notoriety on the Internet" (which is what most Wikipedians mean when they say "notable") vs. Notability, in the sense that that the subject is clearly known and has been noted in the media. Also, an attempt to be encyclopedic implies a thoroughness that requires at least mentions of contestants when a show is deemed worthy of its own article (if all contestants were MERGED into one article, that would clearly satisfy this rationale, though this is not what's being done here.) Finally, this person is known in New England, but perhaps not as well known in Quebec, hometown of fellow contestant Jenny Galt, and vice versa. If "notability" is being interpreted to mean 1) national or worldwide notoriety or 2) a lot of stuff on the Internet about them, then this is a misinterpretation of the word, and perhaps of the policy itself. I've never met Mr. Logan or seen him perform, and to tell the truth, didn't even watch the show, but I'll admit to one bias: he's from my current hometown, and that did prompt me to create the article. I do note that he is still performing actively. - Nhprman 22:30, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought only winners of reality shows were notable. There's still nothing about him that I see in the media, except for a few mentions of him finalizing on this show; nothing at all afterward. I fail to see how he meets any aspect of WP:MUSIC. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 22:33, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Then would you favor a Merge of ALL contestants into the Rockstar Supernova page, as short bios? If not, then I fail to see why this is any different from the precedent set by the other contestants, such as Storm Large and the aforementioned Jenny Galt. In short, I suggest deletion of ALL of the articles (some of which are far more poorly done, BTW) or deletion of none. - Nhprman 14:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete; notability is not transitive. And while I would accept winners of a major network reality show to be marginally notable enough for inclusion, simple contestants are most certainly not worth more than a few lines in an article about the competition.  &mdash; Coren (talk) 03:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Two editors weighing in on this is not sufficient to decide, and it's been over four days. There doesn't appear to be enough interest in this AfD so I suggest immediate closure, or at least counsel against hasty action here. I would note that the last AfD was a unanimous 7 "keeps" except for the nominator. I fail to see why this was posted again. - Nhprman 00:52, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. He was a finalist on a major national TV show and also continued his career so that's notable enough for an article.  I checked the All Music Guide and his album has a page there, so I put that onto the article as a footnote.  --Tikilounge (talk) 22:26, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


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