Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Josh Reinstein


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The result was keep. Consensus has shifted to keeping per WP:HEY after cleanup. Even if notability is actually lacking, a merge or redirect to one of the notable organizations he belongs to can always be considered before renominating.  So Why  07:19, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Josh Reinstein

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subject fails WP:GNG. Only passing mentions on relatively primary sources could be found. —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 12:40, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
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 * has already had to delete copyvio revisions of this article twice, and the current revision also contains copyright text. Can we speedy delete it as a copyright violation? Cordless Larry (talk) 12:59, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Support —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 13:06, 25 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep After a bit of cleanup and adding sources, I see no reason to delete. Sources are good, person is notable.--Geewhiz (talk) 17:16, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
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 * the sources you added are primary and not reliable for the subject to meet GNG. I could only see passing mentions. —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 19:07, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Not true. The Jerusalem Post, Jewish Press, Haaretz and Ynet are not primary sources at all. They are reliable news sources in every respect.--Geewhiz (talk) 19:12, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * But they are just passing mentions about the subject. No? —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 21:55, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. The fact that his name crops up in all these articles is not coincidental. It is because he is a key figure in the Israeli parliamentary lobby to encourage Christians to voice support for Israel.--Geewhiz (talk) 12:02, 26 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. He has a number of book mentions as well of coverage in English (mainly Israeli/Jewish) press. A number of Hebrew mentions too .Icewhiz (talk) 13:02, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Sources suffice to support notability.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:37, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Mentions are not substantial coverage.  DGG ( talk ) 19:10, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Sources that pop up in this gNews search of his name do support notability.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:28, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Delete -- a promo blurb on a subject with so significant achievements. WP:PROMO fail with no in-depth coverage, just passing mentions. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:25, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as lacking significant coverage. This article in the Jerusalem Post is in-depth, but everything else just appears to be mentions. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:24, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * In fact, there is at least one other profile "Canadian immigrant running for slot on Habayit Hayehudi list to 'save Jerusalem'" .E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:18, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . That's quite a short profile, but it all helps. Looking at the article and sources again, I am surprised that someone named the 49th most influential Jewish person in the world hasn't been the subject of more coverage. Could it be that there is more coverage in other languages (specifically Hebrew)? Cordless Larry (talk) 12:44, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * User:Cordless Larry Possibly, although I have now added WP:SIGCOV from an American book. He also gets covered in the press in countries were his Israel Allies Foundation has an affiliate in Parliament, some of which, like Hebrew, use non-Latin alphabets.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:50, 6 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Revisiting There have been at least 2 profiles in a national, Israeli English-language daily. ( I didn't check the Hebrew language press.) Plus he is the widely cited director of a significant political outfit.  I continue to think he passes notability and should be Kept.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:18, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:HEYMANN upgrade to article and sourcing by User:Gilabrand obviates the points raised by Nom.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:32, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Unchanged -- still "Delete" for me; a president of nn Israel Allies Foundation is hardly a claim to notability. The coverage is not sufficient to meet WP:SIGCOV. K.e.coffman (talk) 22:28, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * But Israel Allies Foundation is a notable organization.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:37, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

*Weak delete - I appreciate the effort made by Gilabrand to attempt to improve the article but unless there is more significant coverage, not just passing mentions, it does not fulfill notability requirements.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 04:56, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note that there are NOT "just passing mentions"; there have been profiles. But more to the point "passing mentions" is hardly a an accurate description of the nature of the coverage, which in stories like this  on from  NPR or this one, Christian Science Monitor, in which news organizations request and cite him offering policy analysis. E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:37, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Changed to Weak keep since his position as president of a notable organization makes this notable enough to avoid simply deleting the article.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 09:59, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relist given recent improvements
 * Note that Israel Allies Foundation is bluelinked; the Presidency of this organization supports Reinstein's notability.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:37, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:HEYMANN I have upgraded the article by sourcing Reinstein's role in founding major Christian pro-Israel organization, Pastor John Hagee's Christians United for Israel, the largest and most influential pro-Israel lobby in the United States. Note also that one of those books provides a multi-page, in-depth, sourced WP:SIGCOV  profile of Reinstein's childhood and career.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:16, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge to Knesset Christian Allies Caucus. I've struck my delete comment above. I'm not convinced that mentions such as that in the Christian Science Monitor source above really contribute much to establishing notability, but the Yale UP book pushes this over the threshold for me. Given that most of the coverage is about Reinstein's role at the Knesset Christian Allies Caucus, we might consider merging the material into a personnel section there. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:39, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

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