Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joshua Bartholomew


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the nomination was keep. Jaranda wat's sup 03:49, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Joshua Bartholomew
I am nominating this for deletion because it is a failure of WP:MUSIC. He has only one CD which was written, performed, produced, engineered, mixed and mastered by himself. His only other claim to faim was that he won a local radio contest. --Hetar 06:31, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment It is not a failure of WP:MUSIC. The page has been edited. I am strongly against deletion of this page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Halle Leah (talk • contribs).
 * Could you provide a source to verify the CBC replaying. That would satisfy the second to last bullet of WP:MUSIC's first section.--Chaser T 08:13, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * http://www.cbc.ca/radioshows/FREESTYLE/20060620.shtml


 * Please forgive my apparent lack of how to submit an article and how to respond, I'm learning. Maybe you could offer some help, that would be refreshing. I have no idea if this is where I am supposed to respond to your immediate response to delete my article. I didn't even have it finished before you submitted it for deletion! Do you think that you could extend some grace? Thanks. This comment was also added by user Halle Leah.
 * Keep. For pete's sake, give the guy enough time to finish the article! It's been around for less than a day- you need to give contributors on an actively edited article enough time to finish it! Otherwise, you risk biting the newcomers, as appears has been done. (By the way, to sign your posts use this: ~ . Captainktainer * Talk 08:24, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I definitely felt the bite. Goodness, I had only been a member of this community for an hour and a half when my first article was nominated for deletion. I completely agree with you, it's important to give newcomers a chance to learn the ropes and get their first article finished. Thanks for the vote of confidence Captainktainer, I really appreciate it. I wanted to send you a message or post this on your page, but I haven't figured out how to do that yet. :) Halle Leah 09:42, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Weak keep there's not much besides the radio play. Is this what's meant by rotation?--Chaser T 08:42, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per my reasoning above.--Halle Leah 09:03, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete non-notable musician, fails WP:MUSIC and WP:BIO doktorb wordsdeeds 16:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Don't bite. PT  ( s-s-s-s ) 22:50, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks PT. Halle Leah 03:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Weak keep based on his press (see his website) and radioplay, even though he hasn't released an album and has no label. Also, it's pretty impressive to have the top four spots on a most requested list for an internet radio station.  This is one of those cases where the internet catches on faster to an up and coming artist than mainstream press.  Nice job on a first article, by the way.  --Joelmills 02:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks Joel, I appreciate it. Although last night I questioned if I would ever attempt another one. Once this is all settled, I think I'll give it another try. Tip #1 for newcomers, use the "Show Preview" button! Halle Leah 03:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment on Joelmills Wiki is not a crystal ball. It is not the place of Wiki to "catch up before the mainstream press". This singer can use MySpace if he wants to promote his CDs - not Wiki. doktorb wordsdeeds 22:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment on doktorb Please see my observation below. Halle Leah 19:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. No evidence of national tours or charted hits per WP:MUSIC, or non-trivial third-party coverage per WP:BIO.  Tychocat 09:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Please see my comments and observation below. Thanks! Halle Leah 19:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment Has been placed in rotation nationally on CBC Radio. Halle Leah 18:21, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Has been the subject of a LIVE 90 minute broadcast on CBC's National Radio One show GO. Halle Leah 18:21, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Has been the featured artist of the week on CBC's National Radio One show FREESTYLE.  Interview here.  Halle Leah 18:21, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Observation I have had a couple of days to ponder my first experience being a registered user of Wikipedia. From what I understand, Wikipedia is an international Web-based free-content encyclopedia. I find it interesting to note that Wikipedia does not seem to recognize Internet radio play. Please don’t take this the wrong way, but it seems hypocritical that an online encyclopedia does not recognize online radio. I hope this observation causes other users to ponder this oddity. In its conception, I believe Wikipedia was a forerunner. With the advancement of technology, Internet and satellite radio stations broadcast music worldwide. We should not allow old ideas, and the old way of doing things, to keep us from moving forward. Halle Leah 19:50, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment Halle - it is not about Wiki catching up with technology. It is about the policies of the site - WP:MUSIC and WP:BIO in this case. Joshua may be a very good singer but notable by these standards he may be "only just" but I cannot support this articles inclusion and remain certain that it should be deleted. I am not an admin, I am not an editor with much sway, but I do now that hundreds of singers and bands are put on here like its a "grown up Myspace" and just as many hundreds are shown the door pretty quickly. doktorb wordsdeeds 19:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi doktorb - I was not inferring that it was about Wikipedia catching up with technology, but that perhaps policy changes are required from time to time. I also thought it important to note the hypocrisy of an online encyclopedia excluding the validity of online radio. Halle Leah 20:17, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - Halle, how do all of your comments and observations answer WP:MUSIC and WP:BIO? These are the issues we're dealing with.  You may want to address rewriting the article to meet these repeatedly-made points.  You otherwise appear to be implying that because it's about "online radio", that WP guidelines do not apply.  Tychocat 04:37, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Tychocat - I am not at all implying that WP guidelines do not apply. In answer to WP:MUSIC I have included external links at the bottom of my article to support the radio play, interviews and television appearances. I was trying to make it short and concise, do you think it would be more constructive to put the links within the article? As far as Internet radio goes, based on a couple of comments above, my assumption is that Internet radio play is not considered viable within the Wikipedia community. If this is in fact true, I find it to be quite a paradox. If I have been wrong in my assumption, then I absolutely apologize and would ask everyone concerned to please see the Top 10 requests at Netradio. Thanks for your help! Halle Leah 06:20, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


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