Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joshua Brown (violinist)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete. copyright violation Jimfbleak - talk to me?  07:58, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Joshua Brown (violinist)

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Not a notable person. Article is promotional in nature, and the references are either about results in junior-level competitions, or performance announcements. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 21:26, 13 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep power~enwiki, I disagree that Joshua Brown (violinist) should be deleted. The page is still being worked on and added to, and he is a notable person.  There are 20 external references, numerous reviews of his performances with orchestra, and his competition record is at the same level as many other violinists who have wikipedia articles, including, for example, Ziyu He,Sirena Huang, George Li, Leonardo Colafelice, Kate Liu, Tony Yike Yang, etc.  I see absolutely no difference between the merits of his page and the pages referenced above. Bilderart (talk) 21:42, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

power~enwiki I agree with Bilderart. The pages referenced are very similar to the proposed page for Joshua Brown (violinist). Age doesn't matter as much as accomplishments and experience, and the person in question seems to have both, as well as documentation attesting to said accomplishments and experience. I also don't see any performance announcements, as alleged, only references to prior concerts. I definitely don't think the page should be deleted.Knowledgetalk (talk) 00:52, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * was an example of a performance announcement. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 00:53, 14 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment power~enwiki Those concerts already took place. The article was meant to help establish the level of Joshua Brown and the fact that he performs in professional concerts on a regular basis (which he does), it was not to solicit business.  It's too late to buy tickets, and the reference was added well after the concert.  If you want to delete that reference, feel free, but I don't see the issue.  Also, the competitions referenced are all high level international competitions, the same type of competitions as referenced in the pages I provided links for.  I fail to see how those pages differ from this one.  Bilderart (talk) 01:22, 14 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment The article needs work, yes. As I already commented to Bilderart, it needs footnotes. Also, it needs not to have such an enormous collection of external links (there's a difference between what's considered references and what's considered external links); there's also citation overkill. In other words, the list of links needs to be cut way down with the remainder cited within the article. Also, the long list of appearances and accomplishments should be listified.
 * The one thing that strikes me as advertising is the section with the lengthy quotations from reviews. These are way too long. Also, it's crucial that there be balanceunless all reviews have always been unremittingly positive, there should be an indication of that, and the positive reviews mentioned should be balanced with negative ones. However, all of this is fixable and none of it justifies deleting this article. The one thing I haven't appraised yet is notability, hence my failure to !vote above. Largoplazo (talk) 01:31, 14 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment I agree that there remains work to be done. The references need to be made into footnotes, but I'm not sure yet how to do that.  There are citations for everything, so I will definitely do it as soon as I figure it out, or if anyone would like to help, that would be great.  In terms of reviews, there have been no negative reviews. I will make them shorter, but it is similar to the format on the other pages I listed above, so I think it is pretty standard.  In terms of notability, his website should provide some evidence, as well as googling joshua brown violin.Bilderart (talk) 02:03, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete does not yet meet the notability guidelines for musicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:33, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment No to the reviews. It's promotional. A sentence stating that he's received positive press from these sources, with links, would be sufficient. 73.159.24.89 (talk) 03:40, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Copyright issues Of course it's promotional--this appears to have been copied from press releases. May be speedy deleted as either spam or copyright violation content. 73.159.24.89 (talk) 03:51, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete for blatant copyright violation. I've nominated the article for speedy. 73.159.24.89 (talk) 04:23, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. MT TrainDiscuss 04:37, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. MT TrainDiscuss 04:37, 14 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment I disagree that the page should be deleted on copyright grounds. The information in question (on the link given as example) is simply an orchestra that is featuring Joshua Brown later this year.  The information is not from the orchestra, but rather from the performer.  In the music world, the performer provides his bio on his website so that anyone needing it has access to it.  I received full permission to use this bio from Joshua Brown, and the reason it matches the website linked is because they have access to the same bio.  They did not write the bio.  If there is some form I need to have Joshua Brown sign to show he has given me permission, I am happy to do that.  This is my first Wikipedia article, and I learning as I go.  But while I am new to this, I am 100% sure that I did not violate any copyright laws, nor did I take my information from any press releases.  The information provided has been footnoted properly, demonstrates notability, and is not promoting anything.  If somebody has specific changes they would like me to make, I am happy to do so.  I have made all the edits that have been requested so far, and hope that this can be resolved.Bilderart (talk) 05:10, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Per WP:COPYPASTE, this is pretty much textbook copyright infringement. WP:COI is also a concern, as I've noted elsewhere. We welcome new editors, but not those who come here solely to promote a single subject with which they're associated, nor is plagiarism acceptable. 73.159.24.89 (talk) 05:18, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I've also noted at the article talk page, that even with the subject's permission, it's inappropriate to base an encyclopedia article on the content of his website. 73.159.24.89 (talk) 05:21, 14 February 2018 (UTC)


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