Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joshua Dufek (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Not salting because this is the first time it has been recreated. RL0919 (talk) 17:09, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Joshua Dufek
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WP:BLP of a non-notable young racing driver which was previously deleted following a discussion at Articles for deletion/Joshua Dufek just over a month ago, with no indication that the subject has received any non-WP:ROUTINE coverage since then (as always with junior competitors in minor series, what coverage this driver has received should be used to improve articles about the series they compete in). I initially was going to tag this for speedy deletion under WP:G4, but since the article appears to have had some prose added since then I will play it safe and bring it to AfD again. I would personally recommend WP:SALTing this page until 2023 given its rapid recreation and the fact that it is highly unlikely that this subject will become notable before then. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 15:34, 8 January 2022 (UTC)HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 15:35, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
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 * Neutral and oppose salting. I can to some extent agree with the first part of the nomination as he might be a case of WP:TOOSOON, but given his promotion to FRAC and FRECA (along with his former membership of an F1 academy) he's likely to be notable later this year. For now he lacks SIGCOV though, most of what I can find in a WP:BEFORE search is either WP:ROUTINE or stuff about his namesake Joshua Dürksen. MSport1005 (talk) 17:19, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I do not believe that competing in FREC is any indication of notability whatsoever. It's a fourth-tier series just within the context of single-seaters, and participants generally don't receive significant coverage from reliable independent sources unless they somehow gain notability outside of their racing exploits (although the broader series as a whole does receive some significant coverage from specialist publications). HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 17:26, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a tricky matter, and one that leads me to think WP:NMOTORSPORT might need a review. Not just because the examples are strangely random and dated, but because strictly speaking, no feeder series (except for the W Series) meets criteria 1—it's all down to whether we believe said championship meets criteria 3 or not. FIA F2 and FIA F3 obviously do, but from there it's all extremely subjective. While being successful in FREC is for sure an indication of notability (I don't think that needs discussion), which is also a reason why this article should not be salted, the series as a whole is on the limit. It has gained quite a lot of interest and coverage since the merger with Formula Renault, to the extent that it gets more attention than actual professional series like GTWC, WTCR or ADAC GT Masters, and many drivers are starting to get decent independent SIGCOV. We have to draw the line somewhere. MSport1005 (talk) 18:34, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I am not sure that F3/GP3 is something that falls under Criteria 3, as I noticed a lot of drivers who participated there to have either borderline or sparse significant non-routine coverage (although a better situation than the tournaments below on the pyramid, which makes sense). I think F2/GP2 is the one the criteria's designed for, as it's closely connected to F1 and top level feeder series for it. Therefore, it's of utmost importance and significance on a global scale. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 19:11, 8 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Speedy draftify delete and salt indef per recent AfD with no apparent additional SIGCOV since. I suggest to (who unilaterally took this out of draft) to please use deletion review should they believe new information exists that warrants undeletion. - "Ghost  of  Dan Gurney"  17:23, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete – This could have been handled via CSD § G4. 5225C (talk &bull; contributions) 00:31, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - If kept (or draftified) this article needs to be histmerged for attribution purposes with the article deleted at the previous AFD, as it was copied into draft space by (who has done this again though I have since reverted). A7V2 (talk) 01:14, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - While on the face of it the article seems like it should meet GNG (it has 22 citations after all), the vast majority of these are routine or trivial coverage in Formula Scout, and what remains are press releases (ineligible for considering GNG), results pages (not relevant to GNG) and a YouTube video made by one of the two main editors of the article. A7V2 (talk) 23:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Literally nothing changed since last AfD, besides additional WP:ROUTINE announcements that he got a seat in FRAC. Still doesn't meet either WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT and what I said in AfD 1 stays here. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 09:19, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - and I agree this could have been G4'd.  Onel 5969  TT me 15:40, 12 January 2022 (UTC)


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