Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joshua Fry Bullitt, Jr.


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The result was keep. - Philippe &#124; Talk 05:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Joshua Fry Bullitt, Jr.

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The topic hints at notability but was speedied at first as that notability wasn't explicitly stated. What notability is stated is rather POVish. Thought it would probably meet speedy but wanted to AfD instead as I had a trace of doubt. SGGH speak! 17:45, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Since the only assertion of notability that seems at all relevant is that he was president of the Bar Association for a year, I have to agree and did so when I speedied it twice.  Notability does not attach because of who you're related to or who your law partners are.  Thanks, USer:SGGH, for your trouble, as we can now have this decided once and for all.  Accounting4Taste: talk 17:49, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

More on Bullitt

Per Hagley Museum archives:

The legal firm of Bullitt & Chalkley and its successor Chalkley & Camblos practiced corporate and land law in Big Stone Gap, Virginia, from the mid 1880s till the 1940s.

Joshua Fry Bullitt, Jr., was born in Louisville, Kentucky, on July 242, 1856. In 1887, with other capitalists from the Bluegrass region, he moved to Big Stone Gap, where he set up practice with a fellow Kentuckian, Henry Clay McDowell, and dabbled in coal and timber lands. In 1888 they formed the South Appalachian Land Company.

Around 1905 Bullitt formed a new partnership with John W. Chalkley. They found ready clients among the many new coal companies. Bullitt became one of a handful of experts on the arcane subject of Appalachian land titles. In 1890, when the coal boom was in full swing, he organized the Police Guard of Big Stone Gap. The Guard was formed to suppress the more raucous behavior of the mountaineers who periodically poured into town looking for excitement. His fellow policeman, John Fox, Jr., wrote Bullitt into his The Trail of the Lonesome Pine, where he appears as the "Captain of the Guard." Bullitt began working for the Virginia Coal & Iron Company around 1891, and they eventually became his biggest client.

The records document Bullitt's workin corporate and land law: securing charters and deeds, preparing title abstracts, and handling litigation over title conflicts. Among the companies covered are the Virginia, Tennessee & Carolina Steel & Iron Company, the Interstate Coal & iron Company, and the Virginia Iron, Coal & Coke Company. Other large land companies include the Interstate Investment Company, the Mineral Development Company, and the Clinch Valley Coal & Iron Company.

Per Encyclopedia of Virginia biography, 1915:

In 1885 and 1886, Bullitt served in the Kentucky legislature. In 1896, he was a candidate for U.S. Congress.

One of the stories in the Fox book is about the Guard and its captain. Fox's books about Big Stone Gap, including the Trail of the Lonesome Pine, were bestsellers in their day.

Bullitt himself wrote several books. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Swvalaw (talk • contribs) 18:22, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I think there is an article here, but I should have written it before I started posting.

swvalaw —Preceding unsigned comment added by Swvalaw (talk • contribs) 19:01, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. If true that he was in the Kentucky legislature (for two sessions) he would seem to pass WP:BIO. There are, however, nearly zero online sources, so it is difficult to evaluate them. --Dhartung | Talk 21:17, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

well, I punched this up a bit, although it still might not be up to snuff swvalaw —Preceding unsigned comment added by Swvalaw (talk • contribs) 21:23, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 'Unquestionable keep Being in the state legislature is undoubted notability, by one our our strongest precedents. as there is a source for it, it should be quickly closed. any further difficulty can be dealt with by editing. This wantin the original article, but " Bullitt served as president of The Virginia Bar Association in 1911-12." was--which made it totally unsuitable for speedy. speedy is for no assertion or indication of anything that might be rationally considered notability, and that was more than enough for the purpose. People should read WP:CSD before nominating for speedy.  DGG (talk) 09:18, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as undoubtably notable per DGG. I find it very worrying that we have two administrators who think that an article on a president of a state Bar Association could possibly be a candidate for speedy deletion. Phil Bridger (talk) 23:15, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Since I'm not from the United States, I've apparently mistaken the degree to which that position compares to a similar one in my home. I actually have read the WP:CSD policy more than once and would ask that all concerned assume good faith; my actions were certainly based in it.  I have no objection if someone wants to close this out as a "Keep".  Accounting4Taste: talk 23:28, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I second that comment. If Phil Bridger would re-read my nomination he/she would see that I brought it here having removed a speedy tag because I wasn't sure and I resent the fact that he/she has not assumed good faith on my actions. SGGH speak! 09:46, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I had not read the guidelines before, this exchange will help me avoid problems of this kind in the future, I suspect.Swvalaw (talk) 03:38, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per DGG John254 00:42, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


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