Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joukowsky Institute for Archaeology and the Ancient World


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep/Merge. There's clear consensus here against outright deletion. There's no clear consensus as to whether keeping or merging is the better option: given that this discussion has been open for a month, a talk page discussion is likely a better way of arriving at that consensus. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:14, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Joukowsky Institute for Archaeology and the Ancient World

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No extensive independent coverage to demonstrate notability. All references come from Brown, or Brown affiliated sources. Josefaught (talk) 01:50, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Campus newspapers are plenty independent for almost all coverage of almost all research institutes themselves. I would like to note that this deletion request is clearly inappropriate retaliatory behavior by Josefaught, which operates as an ostensible sockpuppet account. Filetime (talk) 06:45, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Rhode Island-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:53, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:53, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Archaeology-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:53, 15 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Campus newspapers are not at all indepdent. They exist to create coverage of an institution however indepdent of the institution their structure is. We are an encyclopedia, not an indepth coverage source for a few particular places or institutions. We need to show importance beyond an institution itself for various manifestations and sub-units of an institution.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:49, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 08:11, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:44, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Maybe the page had already by updated by the time I came to look at it, but as it stands now the claim that All references come from Brown, or Brown affiliated sources does not stand up. Does the New York Times belong to Brown? Does the University of Texas?  Athel cb (talk) 08:57, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:46, 29 August 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Bold third relist to consider and discuss Czar's contribution.
 * Keep, as there are reliable sources including the New York Times.Jackattack1597 (talk) 00:33, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Brown University. Was about to close this, but the source analysis is incorrect. The NYT is an opinion piece written by someone who works at the institute—it has no bearing on its independent notability. The UTexas piece mentions the institute in passing, but it's an academic FAQ for undergrads, not a piece of journalism or scholarship. It would be sufficient to cover the basics of this topic within the existing section: Brown University. czar  01:01, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 09:12, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge - per Czar's assessment. Not enough in-depth coverage from independent sources to show notability. Onel 5969  TT me 14:51, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * See these sources (and also WP:PAYWALL). I would also ask that the publishing history of the institute be taken into account in the context of WP:NJOURNALS. Filetime (talk) 18:29, 6 September 2021 (UTC)


 * If you're going to invoke "PAYWALL", the least you can do is quote from the sources. The first citation literally starts, "Let me read our web home page to you" and prints verbatim the Joukowsky homepage. That is not an independent source. Koine's coverage, despite being published by the institute (also not independent), appears to have little connection with the Institute. The third is about Martha Sharp Joukowsky. It has a single sentence on the institute. (Fine by me to redirect to her biography instead of the university's article.) The last is local news. As for the institute's publication history, I'm not seeing what sources remark on that publication history's noteworthiness. Altogether still not seeing what meets the GNG here, so merger/redirection remains the best option. (not watching, please )  czar  02:04, 12 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep There are quite a few book reviews critically engaging with the Joukowsky Institute Publications. Richard Nevell (talk) 12:10, 12 September 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.