Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Journey (film series)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Soft delete. L Faraone  01:21, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Journey (film series)

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I would like to determine a consensus as to whether or not Wikipedia should have a film series article for two films. In my experience, the threshold to have a film series article is to have three realized films. (If Journey 3 was in production, I would not put this topic up for AfD, but there has been no real news since the announcement of plans for a third film in March 2012, over a year ago.) The existing film series articles are pretty much three or more films, and these have been justified by myself and others as a way to aggregate content from individual topics. Such articles are a way to see how films compare to each other in terms of recurring characters, box office performance, critical reception, and high-level analysis. I believe that three films is the appropriate threshold because with that minimum, the article becomes a distinct location for comparing across that many films and more. In contrast, a mere film and its sequel can easily compare by saying in the sequel's article how it did compared to the original film. Maybe my argument is too convoluted, and this should not matter. I'd like to hear what others think. For what it's worth, if a third film did begin production, I would support a film series article since it would meet the threshold. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 14:13, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 14:15, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * As i have already stated, i believe that this article should under NO CIRCUMSTANCES BE DELETED, as it still has elevant information for the reader, and also means theat they don't have to vist both the articles. Josh Hutcherson has stated that he IS filming a Journey 3, so there will be a third film. Besides, what is the real issue with just letting this article continue existance? Why do we have to get into a stupid debate about trivial how many films counts as a film series rubbish? Just let this article be, as it still is a bonus over not exitsting. Frogkermit (talk) 15:46, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Frogkermit, the issue is one of redundancy. A film series article can provide both comparative coverage and coverage of the series as a whole. If there are just two films, then the sequel article is sufficient for comparing it to the previous film. One independent case of these films not being officially grouped as a series is a lack of a franchise page for the Journey films where the three Santa Clause films have one here. I don't know if there are any policies or guidelines that directly apply to this situation since obviously the individual films are independently notable. Some editors may want the whole series to be covered to warrant this article, but I think that an acceptable minimum is to aggregate the content of three films. I would like to see what others have to say. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 17:17, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete It seems to me we really wouldn't be losing much. I don't think anyone would dispute that two films constitute a "series", the question is what unique perspective can such an article offer by comparing just two films? As Erik points out articles about sequels compare them to the predecessor anyway, and elaborate on which actors reprised their roles etc, so the sequel article as rule covers the same ground as the series article. It's difficult to envisage what would go into this article that shouldn't go into Journey 2: The Mysterious Island. Series with three films have an inherent complexity that series with two films don't have: for a start each film can be compared to two other films, as opposed to just two films compared with each other; rather than just having some actors returning and others not like with a single sequel, you often have recurring actors throughout a series, so a series article is the best way of tracking who has appeared in what. The third film does complicate this to an extent, but if we abide strictly by WP:NFF then the third film isn't eligible for an article yet; speculation about the sequel can simply go in the Journey 2 article as well. Betty Logan (talk) 00:09, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, L Faraone  03:08, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.