Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Journey to the West (2016 film) (3rd nomination)


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The result was keep. Third nomination by the same user in the past three months, with the last discussion closed as "keep" just over a week ago. Consensus for deletion is unlikely to be formed any time soon. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 17:05, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Journey to the West (2016 film)
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People who voted "keep" in the previous discussion relied on one English-language source (that is actually hidden) to claim that the film has begun filming. Yet there is not a single source in Chinese to confirm this. China is a big country, where are they filming at? To give you a comparison, an upcoming film Monk Xuanzang (film) also dealing with the journey to the west (though more on the historical side) has a ton of sources in Chinese telling you the different places they are filming at, and many of these places are very desolate. Also where is the source that the director is Zhang Jinlai? In my first AFD nomination, I mentioned the film did not name its director, and soon enough someone added his name to the director field. Yet Zhang Jinlai is going on talk shows this month and does not mention at all that the film has begun filming. I understand there has been a press conference held by Zhang Jinlai about this film, but the same guy has been making announcements on the same film for over 10 years, I will show you:
 * July 23, 2004: "六小龄童难舍美猴王 电影版《西游记》又要上马 "Zhang Jinlai wants to portray Monkey King again, film version of Journey to the West upcoming"
 * October 10, 2005: "六小龄童功夫不减 明年推电影《西游记》 "Zhang Jinlai still has Kung Fu in him, Journey to the West will arrive next year"
 * January 6, 2007: "六小龄童将"重出江湖"拍电影版《西游记》 "Zhang Jinlai coming back in film version of Journey to the West"
 * July 8, 2008: "六小龄童筹拍电影《西游记》 "Zhang Jinlai planning film version of ''Journey to the West"]
 * October 22, 2013: "六小龄童欲找卡梅隆拍《西游记》：我有这个体力 "Zhang Jinlai plans to get James Cameron to direct Journey to the West"

It's amazing that after so many crying wolves, still someone believes in him. There is nothing different about last year's announcement, except 3D was mentioned, and the fact that Kris Wu with his m/billions of screaming teenage groupies showed up in the press conference. As in my previous nominations, I hold the opinion that the film has not begun filming (and I doubt it will ever), therefore it fails WP:NFF. Timmyshin (talk) 06:27, 3 August 2015 (UTC)


 * - I've placed a note at WT:FILM for more input. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 06:59, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * IMO this is a rather straight-forward issue. We live in the social-media age, whether a major or even minor film has begun filming is very easy to determine if you know the language. If Zhang Jinlai is indeed the director as the page claims, how come his microblog (http://www.weibo.com/liuxiaolingtong) which he updates multiple times per day is showing that during the past week he went on talk shows, practiced calligraphy, met with friends, attended ceremonies as guests and made speeches — everything except anything to do with the film. BTW notice the corresponding Chinese page got moved to draftspace (zh:草稿:敢问路在何方) after some time in the main space (that I wasn't involved with). Timmyshin (talk) 07:53, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: I went to verify from a Western source that Paramount was involved, and a Variety article from April 2015 notes that Paramount was "in advanced talks" to be involved, not that it was set to be. It lists Zhang as a returning actor, and it also notes that there is no director or screenwriter at the time of writing. The Wall Street Journal also has a report of the press conference. However, I cannot find anything to support that it is currently filming or that Zhang is the director. ~Cheers, Ten  Ton  Parasol  10:26, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking the time to actually research the topic before making comments. Timmyshin (talk) 21:47, 3 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep and close nomination - this should not have been nominated again so soon after it was kept. The production website status listing is NOT "hidden" but in the English version it's categorized under "G" (for the Chinese name) rather than "J" for the English name.  —Мандичка YO 😜 11:13, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a clear instruction in the citation would be helpful, such as in Aki Toyosaki and the flash references? Just to be clear about where the information is in the source? I have no idea if it's the appropriate way to source, but ts more upfront about where re information is coming from. ~Cheers, Ten  Ton  Parasol  15:11, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Why was it removed from the main page then? As has been pointed out by User:Parasol, there are no reliable sources indicating a director has been named for the film. How can a film begin filming without a director? Timmyshin (talk) 18:08, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:51, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:51, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:51, 3 August 2015 (UTC)


 * speedy keep as out of order, having been closed at keep only a couple of days ago. If there were any problems with that (though I can’t see any) then a visit to DR might be the appropriate action. Renominating it so soon after an appropriate keep is not.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 15:06, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Zhang Jinlai the supposed director just wrote on his microblog (http://www.weibo.com/liuxiaolingtong) that the reason the film has not begun filming is he's waiting for Americans to come to China in mid-August to initiate talks, according to him the meeting will determine the filming date. The fact that people are still voting "keep" shows in my opinion, irresponsibility with regards to selecting reliable sources. Timmyshin (talk) 18:03, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That link redirects to a login screen for me. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:10, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but you would have to either log in or change your browser, because my Firefox browser can view the page without logging in. Anyway his post was "很多网民朋友非常关注由我主演孙悟空、中美合拍的3D电影《敢问路在何方》的筹拍进程，询问为何还不开机拍摄？在此我诚挚地告知大家，既然是合作就要遵重对方的创作习惯与理念，8月中旬美方的主创团队将再一次来中国进行下一步拍摄计划与日程的确定和沟通，敬请大家耐心期待，谢谢大家！！ 8月3日 15:51 来自 微博 weibo.com" roughly translated as "Many Internet users are very concerned about the Sino-US co-production 3D film "Journey to the West" starring me as Monkey King, they asked why hasn't filming begun? Here, I sincerely tell you, since it is necessary to respect each other's habits and ideas in a cooperation, in mid-August the American creative team will once again come to China to communicate and identify the filming plans and schedule, please be patient, thank you! ! (At 15:51 on August 3 from microblogging weibo.com)" Timmyshin (talk) 21:42, 3 August 2015 (UTC)


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