Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joy J. Kaimaparamban


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. There seems to be a likely chance that the subject has recieved significant coverage in some Malayalam sources, but this doesn't appear to have been investigated well. The information in the article is not of a controversial or libellous nature, so while more sources are required, this isn't an urgent BLP situation where I'd be more inclined to delete. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 03:06, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Joy J. Kaimaparamban

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Non-notable writer, no evidence of passing AUTHOR or PROF. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 07:44, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems to me to be worth keeping if it can be verified Polarpanda (talk) 09:12, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete currently lacking WP:V and falling short of WP:GNG. Darrenhusted (talk) 16:32, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete There's something funny going on here with this article. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 00:20, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  -- - Spaceman  Spiff  06:06, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  -- - Spaceman  Spiff  06:06, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. Well known writer in Malayalam literature. Several of his books have been published by publishing major DC Books. Had won Kunkumam Award for his novel Theerabhoomikal – A mention of Kunkumam Award can be seen here. !Voting weak keep because not much 3rd party reliable sources are available on the net. I am sure sources must be available in Malayalam print. Salih  ( talk ) 04:59, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Not the most famous author in the world, but seems to have acquired some notability within Malayalam. Worth including. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:03, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Great -- can you provide sources that establish this? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 15:44, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * In addition to those mentioned by others, this notes one of the author's works was being made into a movie . Several of the author's books are on Google Books. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There's no mention of the author in that citation. Bearian (talk) 16:59, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It says "This film worked on the storylines of Joy J Kaimaparamban will start this week in and around Cherthala." Unfortunately, I can't find anything else about the movie, so I don't know what happened with it. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:41, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. No evidence of notability. The relevant criteria would be "regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors" or "work ... subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews." I could find nothing that indicates this sort of notability, and very little apart from self-published articles like this. I don't think this is bias. This mentions two books, and this mentions a third. This mentions a screenplay. But no reviews or comments.  Aymatth2 (talk) 19:28, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ... there could be a problem finding sources due to the script. Malayalam sources would work if they showed notability. If ml.wikipedia had an entry for this author, with references, that would be good enough for me. But if there are no references at all, no ml:wiki version... Aymatth2 (talk) 19:54, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment While I do believe that all notable subjects deserve an article, I do not believe they necessarily deserve the article attributed to their name. This subject seems to be notable in a Language other than English, which makes sourcing difficult. Given the award posted in the above link, I am inclined to believe that there are independent sources out there but that they may be limited by the language barrier. If there is a chance that more references can be added to verify the information in the article, I would love to change my vote to keep, but at present, I would lean towards deletion unless more information is added, perhaps by someone familiar with the author's native language. Mrathel (talk) 18:16, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Relisted
 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Sebastian 21:29, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

Actually, my reason for relisting is not to create more discussion. Rather I have two reasons: I am aware that Articles for deletion/Administrator instructions says "if [...] the discussion has only one or two commenters", but I believe it is better to ignore this for the indicated reasons. There is no rush to close this. &mdash; Sebastian 21:29, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Several credible editors indicated that they are aware of reliable sources. The one link provided,, seems to indicate that the Kunkumam Award may be notable, but I can not see that the author actually won that award. It is also not clear whether Express News Service is a reliable source. I want to give these editors a chance to research. If no reliable sources are provided in that time, I recommend closing as delete.
 * The Express News Service is a reliable source, their Wikipedia page is here. Salih  ( talk ) 05:47, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, sure - that's a reliable source! &mdash; Sebastian 06:45, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope these links, , and might help establish the notability of the Kunkumam Award.  Salih  ( talk ) 05:59, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, these don't meet the WP:GNG criteria for the Kunkumam Award, since they don't have "significant coverage" of that award. Look at the entries in List of literary awards (apart from the first two, which are not well referenced and a redlink, respectively). Do you think you could create such an article about the Kunkumam Award? If you did that then you would not have to worry about this article anymore; even if it should have been deleted in the meantime, I would restore it. &mdash; Sebastian 06:37, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I do agree that Kunkumam Award does not have significant coverage on web, but not having listed under List of literary awards does not in any way undermine the importance(?) of the award. That list is only partial. Salih  ( talk ) 07:06, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it could still be an important award; there are probably many important things in India that we're missing. I understand it's hard to create a whole new article, but maybe you could add something about the award to the article Malayalam literature? We still need a reliable reference that Joy J. Kaimaparamban actually got the award, of course. &mdash; Sebastian 08:16, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I just found the article Malayalam Literary Awards. Unfortunately, it says nothing about the awards, and has no references whatsoever. It also doesn't mention the Kunkumam Award. If you helped improve that article, it might also make sense to include the Kunkumam Award. &mdash; Sebastian 08:31, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * To include Kunkumam Award in the article, I should at least know who are all won that award :-) If possible I'll make a visit to the nearest library shortly! (no problem if an admin take a decision regarding the fate of this article in the meantime) Salih  ( talk ) 10:08, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) I want to give editors familar with Malayam a chance to transwiki the article to ml.wikipedia.
 * I support this. There may be Malayalam sources. I am a bit skeptical, but there is no urgency to close at all. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:35, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * This is BLP, and the page cannot sit indefinitely in a discussed format. This is why there is a "default to..." used sometimes... I generally hate it, but unsourced BLP information cannot be left alone forever, and it's surprising no one as chopped up the article to help it. The only things that can be considered for the delete/keep opinions should be what is sourced. Cut out what's not directly supported by the one reference offered, change to stub, leave the AfD on. All that unsourced info is a red herring to base opinion off of, unfortunately. If a BLP article is in proper form and cited, then yes the AfD can go on. If not? Do a BLP blanking, close as delete, G6 it. ♪ daTheisen(talk) 22:23, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.