Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joy Robinson


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. No prejudice against redirecting to Miss Iowa USA but I didn't see a clear consensus for that. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:15, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Joy Robinson

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Robinson's only claim close to fame is being Miss Iowa USA, but this alone is not enough to establish notability. Our one source is a bio from the Miss USA organization. Robinson's later work as a model is no where near enough to make her notable John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:01, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America1000 05:51, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. North America1000 05:51, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iowa-related deletion discussions. North America1000 05:51, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect to Miss Iowa USA; valid search term. Cursory source searches are not providing coverage to qualify an article. North America1000 05:52, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Dane 2007  talk 02:23, 15 August 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per WP:BIO1E, which is rather minor (not even Miss Iowa). Does not meet ANYBIO1 and coverage is insufficient to meet GNG. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:13, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep for now. Discussion about notability guidelines has already started on the Talk page for the Beauty Pageant project.  No harm will be done by closing this nomination as "keep" and letting the project-level discussion take its course.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 03:59, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Sam Sailor 03:09, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: The discussion on pageant winners' notability is taking place here: RFC on creation of consensus standard, with participants variously advocating that (1) state level winners are not presumed notable, (2) state-level winners are not presumed non-notable; or (3) a special guideline is unnecessary, and that GNG should be used. There's an overlap between the these three positions. There aren't really voices for "state-level winners are always presumed notable" so I don't think the outcome of the discussion, if any, would have an impact on this AfD, which is trying to establish whether the subject meets GNG. Thus it may not make sense to suspend the AfD process for this nomination.
 * The question become whether to delete or redirect this article. I advocate deletion for two reasons: (1) maintaining a BLP on a non-notable person is a potential invasion of privacy and opens up the article to vandalism; (2) the redirect assumes that the person would never be notable for anything else, which I've seen elsewhere described as "insulting". :-) K.e.coffman (talk) 03:44, 23 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete or Redirect as per NorthAmerica. I didn't find much -- problem is her name is rather common.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 23:37, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete I looked for sources, but all I could find was this--certainly not enough for GNG, and per K.e.coffman's summary, that at minimum, subnational pageant wins are not enough to presume notability without sourcing. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:43, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect to My searches fail to show that is notable beyond being named Miss Iowa USA, and her name is already on that page.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:33, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per above - no significant, in-depth coverage from reliable, third-party sources. No objection to a redirect if desired. Neutralitytalk 19:10, 6 September 2016 (UTC)