Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joyce el rayess


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Let me know if anyone wants this drafting or userfying. Davewild (talk) 06:32, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Joyce el rayess

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not yet notable. I'd encourage the article's creator to take this to draft space while awaiting evidence of notability. Note that creator has a COI. valereee (talk) 17:39, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:31, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lebanon-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:31, 14 July 2015 (UTC)


 * move to draft space, not yet notable per WP:TOOSOON and WP:BIO. ukexpat (talk) 18:48, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Being the "youngest English language novelist in Lebanon" is a very narrow category for notability., in writing on Talk:Joyce el rayess (at this version) that "I am the youngest English writing novelist in my country", has admitted that this is an autobiography. So, Rayess has paid to have her book published, and is now coming to Wikipedia to promote herself. Should she eventually become notable, someone else can write an article about her. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 22:57, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete autobiography of a non-notable person, fails WP:GNG and WP:NAUTHOUR. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:16, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete I could find no better sources than the ones now in the article. Of course there could be offline sources, or ones not found by Google. That is perhaps more likely for Lebanon than for Europe or North America, but we can't judge any such sources unless and until they are cited. There should be no prejudice against creation of a later, better sourced version, and if proper reliable sources are offered before the AfD closes, I might reconsider this view. DES (talk) 01:33, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete My searches found zero reliable sources, just lots of social media self promotion.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:06, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Since this person is an English-language novelist, the presence of sources findable in English is likely.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I am also skeptical of the claims. No one in Lebanon who is younger than 29 has had an English-language novel published? I find that hard to believe, and if it is true, mainly shows how few people in Lebanon engage in writing English-language novels.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:35, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Move The book "Different Minds" does exist on Amazon under her name, just that it doesn't currently bring notability to the subject of this article. Move to draft space or even as a user subpage, since notability may be gathered in the far future if a few bestsellers appear. Otherwise, I have relatives and friends who have written well published books and don't meet notability guidelines. The Average Wikipedian (talk) 14:41, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Userfy or Move to draft space This article has had an edit that removed 95% of the content and while there was a lot of peacock language and some oversharing, the creator might wish to have another go at creating a decent, well-referenced article. Liz  Read! Talk! 17:41, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, Unfortunately, I'm not finding anything in reliable sources which would meet WP:AUTHOR. I agree with Liz on userfy-ing the article, give the author/subject a chance to get some sources and write up a good article!  Ghostwheel ʘ 04:06, 22 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.