Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joyland (Beijing)


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The result was delete. "an independent source stating the subject exists is by definition, notability" is an exceptionally incorrect understanding our Wikipedia's notability policies, as pointed out by responders. Ben · Salvidrim!  &#9993;  14:18, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Joyland (Beijing)

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Appears to fail WP:CORPDEPTH by a wide margin. I found no significant coverage of this company in independent RSs. Rentier (talk) 18:25, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Chinese article is apparently unsourced too, so unless there is a Chinese-fluent editor around to search for sources it should probably be deleted. If for some reason it stays, it should be moved to Joyland (software developer).ZXCVBNM (TALK) 20:28, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

NB. using google translate will screw with some of the wording and make 'Beijing Happy World Technology Co. Ltd' appear as 'Happy World BES Co. Ltd some of the time. A Guy into Books (talk) 21:48, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - Per nominator. Meatsgains (talk) 21:15, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep A google search for 北京欢乐百世科技有限公司, reveals plenty of 'unreadable' Chinese (also Joyland seems to translate as 'happy world' in Chinese. In actual fact the title for this article is totally wrong, since the company is actually called 'Beijing Happy World Technology Co. Ltd.'. Now taking into account that Chinese notability is difficult to establish, partly due to loss in translation, there is the following:
 * https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Falcom/M.1409053859.A.44B.html (an unverified article based on press release)
 * http://www.ali213.net/news/html/2011-12/30701.html (a genuine news site for games topics, limited information)
 * https://www.psnine.com/topic/20495 (micro blog - shows the company being called 'happy hundred' (English translation)
 * http://ys7.wangyuan.com/2012/07/19/000005.shtml (nominally independent and slightly promotional)
 * https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E6%AC%A2%E4%B9%90%E7%99%BE%E4%B8%96%E7%A7%91%E6%8A%80%E6%9C%89%E9%99%90%E5%85%AC%E5%8F%B8/5101326 (a Chinese encyclopaedia entry - cant be used as reference but note the name used)
 * http://www.xizhi.com/COMDwQJWwQNCwQ7AED/ (independent source - limited information)
 * http://weibo.com/falcomchina?is_hot=1 (this is micro blog run by the company)
 * http://www.kanzhun.com/gso1003907.html ((independent source - limited information)
 * https://www.esterior.net/2017/01/joyoland-running-their-pc-ports-on-steam-greenlight/ (independent but not verifiable, says little and uses another name 'joyoland')
 * http://company.zhaopin.com/CZ780256970.htm (one of the better references)
 * The sources prove that the company exist, but what makes it notable? Nothing in the links you posted suggests to me that it passes WP:CORPDEPTH. Rentier (talk) 22:17, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
 * There are four good references here, an independent source stating the subject exists is by definition, notability. I will admit, the coverage is not substantial, however: "If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple[2] independent sources should be cited to establish notability." since all these sources are exclusively written about said subject, they are not, by definition, trivial. therefore the requirements of WP:GNG and WP:CORPDEPTH are satisfied. A Guy into Books (talk) 22:33, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
 * "There are four good references here, an independent source stating the subject exists is by definition, notability." Not exactly. See also: WP:ITEXISTS. If you think that what is basically just WP:PROMO is one of the "good references" then it's probably not suitable for inclusion. A bunch of non significant references can't Voltron into a significant reference, some of them have to actually be significant in the first place.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 01:03, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

This company has presented Chinese versions of Falcom's games, it meet the requires in WP:CORPDEPTH. --!Panzerkampfwagen! (talk) 06:27, 20 August 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. Here are some Chinese resources:
 * 1) SCE agreed to co-work with Joyland, Falcom's Kiseki series may publish on PS Chinese version
 * 2) Joyland get permission of Ao no Kiseki
 * Delete Fails GNG, references fail WP:CORPDEPTH and/or WP:ORGIND since they rely almost exclusively on company-produced announcements and/or material for facts and information. -- HighKing ++ 15:02, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   13:17, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete -- just a directory listing; zero encyclopedically relevant prose. K.e.coffman (talk) 08:10, 28 August 2017 (UTC)


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