Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joynt Scroll


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The result was   delete. JForget 00:32, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Joynt Scroll

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IP Contested PROD - Un referenced since January 2008, unable to find any sources to backup the detail in the article so fails WP:V. Fails WP:GNG as it does not appear to be written about by anyone or anything other than very specialist debating blogs, this is after all a university debating club competition. Codf1977 (talk) 10:00, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose I have found numerous sources like here, here, here, here and here that back up information in the article. An advanced Google search for exactly "Joynt Scroll" excluding "Wikipedia" retrieves about 1,180 hits. As far as notability, it is New Zealand's second oldest sporting competition and seems to be prestigious among NZ debaters. I'm not too convinced on the notability as Joynt Scroll doesn't have its own website though. This article does need a lot of work like you said and maybe the past results section should be excluded. It may be reduced to a stub-class but I think it is a start to something that doesn't warrant removal from Wikipedia.--NortyNort (Holla) 10:59, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * None of the links could be classed as independent and reliable, that is the issue with most of the University debating related articles on WP, the subject just does not get attention outside the close circle of University clubs and specialist debating blogs. As you point out results are an issue even the nzudc page does not have the 2009 results on it that the WP has so even if they are added later there would have to be a question of who is sourcing who. Codf1977 (talk) 11:13, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Ok, I agree. The fact they don't have their own website, few (only NZ media) carry results, nor can one find all 107 years of results is disheartening for this process. I am not a debating expert, but I can at least see why the Australasian Intervarsity Debating Championships is notable.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  —• Gene93k (talk) 19:43, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:43, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Specialist debating blogs are not reliable sources. This obviously has no notability to the world at large. --Mkativerata (talk) 18:53, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
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