Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joypurhat Sugar Mill's Limited


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure)  J 947  04:20, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Joypurhat Sugar Mill's Limited

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Dearth of sources. Winged Blades Godric 15:56, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions.  Winged Blades Godric 17:29, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:57, 18 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep appears to have a storied history and impact on the local economy: Gbooks and News, sample article. More sources probably exist. Note: the article names appears to be a misspelling; should be ""Joypurhat Sugar Mill". K.e.coffman (talk) 21:57, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * --What you provide are trivial non-notable mentions.In time of the 1971 war, war-camps were extensively set up every area or so by the administration.Do you mean that makes every one of them notable.The books are mainly trade/industry/labor directories and mentions almost all industries in Bangladesh.How does that establish notability? Winged Blades Godric 13:28, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep-. Founded in 1963 it is the largest Sugar mill in the country. Has coverage in news articles and books.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 21:12, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 19:22, 26 February 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947  05:26, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Where does it say it is the largest Sugar mill in the country. I searched but wasn't able to find it. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 10:27, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah OK, this says "...wastes from Joypurhat Sugar Mills, the largest of the kind in the country." Sorry, my bad. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 10:33, 12 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment You are correct that it may not pass WP:CORPDEPTH. At least I wasn't able to find the indepth coverage required in English. However, this may pass WP:GEOFEAT due to historical/cultural significance. Is the war event significant enough? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 10:32, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
 * --There's little doubt about the significance of the war.It was the war of independence for Bangladesh and was a defining point im it's history.But what I am saying is that during the war almost every school,somewhat big factories ,large grounds etc.were utilised to set up war-camps by the administration.And,as I said above I fail to find anything special in this to warrant an article.As a side note and as a person who personally knows something about the topic, I think the best way-out to salvage the article will be through sourcing acc. to WP:CORPDEPTH. Winged Blades Godric 11:06, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the explanation. Yes, the war seems to be significant but it is not clear how significant the war camp was. One claim of significance could be the fact that it is the largest sugar mill. I am on the fence about this. On one hard I cannot find enough sources (to satisfy WP:CORPDEPTH) in English, though there is clearly a good start. On the other hand, the sources that we have give me a good reason to believe that there might be plausible coverage in maybe Bengali language sources. How about a merge to Joypurhat_District? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 18:21, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * --I will take that.Yeah,I scanned across bengali sources but same as in Eng. sources--borderline WP:CORPDEPTH coverage.Ample proof that it exists but nothing about it's uniquiety! Winged Blades Godric 08:46, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep the reliable sources cited and those included as further reading amply meet WP:GNG. --Worldbruce (talk) 03:40, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * --In light of the argument I put above,how does this pass WP:GNG? Winged Blades Godric 08:46, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * There was a dearth of sources in the article when you nominated it. Those identified by probably bolster the case for keep, but I don't argue on the basis of Google Books snippet views because it is difficult to reliably assess the significance of coverage from snippets. It would be worth consulting full copies of some of them.


 * Your argument against notability seems unduly focused on the use of the mill's 135-acre site as a Pakistan Army war-camp in 1971, which was just one year in the mill's 57-year-and-counting history, and the subject of only 7 of the 40 sources. I don't think anyone is saying the mill is notable only for being an army camp, or that every army camp is notable (although in my experience every military camp in the UK and US has an article, even if it was active for only a year). The 7 sources cover the war-camp at the mill because it was the location of the confinement, torture, and killing of civilians, actions later tried as crimes against humanity. Three sentences about the war crimes seems appropriate in the history of the mill.


 * You said the sources you found were borderline WP:CORPDEPTH, but didn't name those sources. That is an element of WP:CORP, not WP:GNG, but in my evaluation, the article's 33 sources that cover the non-war years plainly pass the depth of coverage test. None are trivial routine coverage of the types explicitly excluded under that criterion. At the moment the article is a very brief, incomplete stub, but the sources give the topic a level of attention that makes it possible to write much more than that.


 * As to the mill's "uniquiety", it is the largest in the country, employing, housing, and serving thousands. In a place where 70% of the population is employed in agriculture, a sugar mill is as important as a coal mine or steel plant would be in an industrialized country. Bangladesh's three news agencies, foremost English-language newspaper, and English-language financial press cover the mill at least a couple times a year. Any apparent unevenness in their coverage is, I think, merely an artifact of which years of which media outlets are readily accessible to me online. I only scratched the surface of the Bengali-language material out there. Suffice it to say, in Bangladesh the mill is a BFD, and not in the sarcastic sense.
 * --Worldbruce (talk) 16:15, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment -- the largest sugar mill in a country where agriculture is the main industry is strongly suggestive of notability. We would probably not delete an article on the "largest automaker" in an industrialised country. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:03, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


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