Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Juan Andres Caro Rivera


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy Delete per WP:G7 author's request. — Cactus Writer (talk) 14:55, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Juan Andres Caro Rivera

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Subject does not meet notability guidelines. He cannot claim any inherent notability from being the "direct descendant of the Colombian President" (WP:INVALIDBIO)). He is "politically active" but as an activist, he does not meet WP:POLITICIAN either. A search on Google, Google Books, and Google News provides no further information. The subject is the founder of the 'Conservative Interest Group' but no information on its notability could be found either. The website in the infobox points to the 'Larimer County Republican Party' page which does not mention Mr Caro Rivera. I would have nominated this page for speedy deletion (A7) but this has already been done and declined here. Further, the WP:SPA contributor is named after the initials of the 'Conservative Interest Group' with the date of US independence, suggesting a possible WP:COI. Delete as vanity page. Loopy30 (talk) 12:15, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete – I did some other Google searches (Juan Caro CSU Conservative Interest Group and Juan Caro Larimer) as well and only found trivial mentions or otherwise insignificant coverage. There is no indication of satisfaction of WP:GNG. While I agree with the statements about INVALIDBIO and POLITICIAN, I will defend my decline of A7. WP:CCOS says A claim of significance need not amount to a statement that, if sourced, would establish notability and Therefore, a claim of significance need not pass any of the general or specialized notability guidelines, such as general notability guideline, music notability, or biography notability guideline. Being a politician and a "direct" descendant of a president alone does not necessarily make one notable, but I would think that they have a plausible chance of being notable based on the statement alone (cf. point 6 of WP:CCOS and what's written below it). Even if this is an edge case, speedy deletion should not be used, as it is only for clear cases. Furthermore, lack of notability is not recognised as a speedy deletion criteria (cf. WP:NOTCSD); the correct venues are AfD and (once) PROD. Linguist un Eins uno 14:29, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Linguist111. No slight intended on the CSD decline comment, only to mention that CSD has already been tried. As far as being a direct descendant, if this is correct then he would be about 5 generations removed (or 1/32nd related). Note too that in this case the subject is "not" a politician either, and the article only claims that he is a political staffer/activist. Loopy30 (talk) 16:25, 11 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello Both, http://www.larimergop.org/ExecutiveBoard mentions Juan Caro as an elected bonus member of the Larimer County GOP. Also the Conservative Interest Group LLC was a pro-bono organization and recently became an LLC -- you can find ownership here: https://www.flcompanygo.com/Conservative-Interest-Group-LLC-L17000174266/
 * Conservative Interest Group of Colorado has been invited to testify and lobby in favor or against legislation and is on the state senate record for testimony. Conservative Interest of Nebraska is also active.


 * Also inheritance can be claimed and the Caro family continues to be politically active today: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergio_Jaramillo_Caro
 * Loopy, Linguist, if you both believe the page should be deleted I will not contest it.


 * Cig1776 (talk) 18:06, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Colorado-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:42, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Colombia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:43, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:44, 11 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete: fails WP:GNG and WP:POLITICIAN. No independent notability demonstrated as an individual and it doesn't appear that the organizations he belongs to pass notability either. The claim of inherited notability regarding Sergio Jaramillo Caro isn't relevant here, as he was a former government minister and with articles in Newsweek and El Tiempo, so he passes notability in his own right, regardless of who his ancestor was. The fact that the article creator's initials are the same as the Conservative Interest Group doesn't inspire confidence that there isn't a WP:COI going on here. Richard3120 (talk) 19:10, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * What are the substantiated points supporting this page?


 * If there are none, let's remove it.


 * Cig1776 (talk) 01:44, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * In response to what you've written here, I appreciate that you've included sources in the article but unfortunately they don't assure the subject of this article meets the general notability guideline, which says a topic is presumed notable (and therefore meriting an article) if they have received "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". I think the problem with the larimergop.org source is that it is not independent, but instead primary (primary means personally close to or written by the subject, like a personal website or the website of one's employer). flbusinessgo.com appears to be directory - directories can help to verify material, but don't establish notability. Overall the coverage I've found doesn't indicate that Caro qualifies for a standalone article. Looking at the article's history, it appears you're the only editor who's added any substantial content to it, and so if you want to/think it should be deleted, you can add the text   to the top of the article and an administrator will delete it shortly. Thanks. Linguist un Eins uno 04:20, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.