Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Juan Cabral (footballer)


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Logan Talk Contributions 00:06, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Juan Cabral (footballer)

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Fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. Contested PROD. PROD removed with comment: "the fact that one of the top 20 leagues in the world is not fully pro indicates only that our guidelines are bankrupt, not that this player is less notable than a League 2 player" Whether or not this is the fact needs to be taken up at WP:FOOTY talk, and the current guidelines need to be followed until any change occurs. Ravendrop (talk) 22:09, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. I stand by my removal of the PROD tag. It flies in the face of common sense to say that any player who has played for a few minutes at the fourth level of English football should automatically be considered notable, but that a player who has played at the top level of Chilean football shouldn't be given the same treatment just because somebody has found a technicality of the league regulations that means that there may possibly be a few players in that league who are not full-time professionals. It appears that the consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues agrees with that position. Phil Bridger (talk) 23:31, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Phil Bridger is missing the point - there is no evidence that this player has actually played a game, regardless of the status of the league, therefore failing WP:NFOOTBALL and also WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 18:20, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Though I've now added a reference which does verify his having played for several seasons in the Chilean top flight, which I found by clicking on the interwiki link to the corresponding Spanish article. According to Google, he seems to get plenty of mentions in the Spanish-language press, if anyone had the time and interest to go through them. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:56, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. (after edit conflict) That is not the point made by the nominator to which I was replying, which was "Fails WP:nfooty as Chile Premier is not fully pro". I see that a source has now been added to the article confirming that this player has played in the top Chilean league, and plenty more such sources can be found here. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:07, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - article has now been improved and I'm satisfied with his guy's notability. GiantSnowman 17:07, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep, now that confirmation has been provided that this player has played in a world-class league whose regulations allow for the possibility of a few part-timers playing in it. If I had missed the point in my earlier comment I would have presented it with a bolded "keep" rather than "comment". Phil Bridger (talk) 19:20, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - appears to be a notable football player (he scored 7 goals in the Chilean top flight last season) and I've expanded the article slightly to incorporate a few references. Article still needs work, but reliable sources appear to be readily available. Jogurney (talk) 15:39, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
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