Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Juan Jose Chuquisengo


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The result was   keep.  Wifione  Message 11:44, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Juan Jose Chuquisengo

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BLP has no visible verifiable references from reliable sources. Contested PROD. Fails WP:NMUSIC. Autobiography. —  Jeff G. ツ (talk)   12:00, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment Google News search gets 100+ hits, most in Spanish, which I unfortunately cannot evaluate, but a few English ones indicate that he does tour internationally. I'm just a bit concerned that our systemic bias against non-English sources might possibly be treating this subject unfairly. (BTW Google Web search - not restricted to only the sources Google recognises as "news" sites - gets over 9000 hits) Roger (talk) 13:01, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I checked, his Spanish language article suffers from the same lack of reliable sources.  —  Jeff G. ツ  (talk)   13:32, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That's a perennial problem with articles translated to en.WP from other language WPs that have lower standards for sourcing than we do. Are the Google hits in Spanish any good - many appear to be newspapers? Roger (talk) 13:53, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. I found a few and added them to the page. The biggest issue is how short most of them are, giving more weight to an upcoming performance or showing rather than on an actual article. Some of them aren't big, but they're more than just routine listings. From what I can find I think this guy just manages to squeak by notability standards. The biggie is that he has toured internationally, as evidenced by the Washington Post news story, and it looks like he's released two albums with Sony. My Spanish is beginner level at best so if I'm getting this wrong then someone can feel free to correct me, but I think I've found enough to show notability. I've re-written parts of the article, as much of it lacked RS.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 14:04, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Once the subject has managed to pass notability (as you have demonstrated) it is acceptable to use SPS (such as his own website) for non-controversial information such as routine resume material. That should allow the article to expand quite a bit. Roger (talk) 14:18, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment. If the page wasn't an orphaned article I'd say keep.--TV (talk) 16:38, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I found one link to John Foulds after I created the redirect at Juan José Chuquisengo. How many article-space links are needed to lose the Orphan tag? Roger (talk) 17:01, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. I found significant coverage here of his work "Transcendent journey." The site seems an RS (got an editorial board) and the review looks solid and non-promotional. There is more here about the same work being ranked among the 100 best classical CDs of all time by "Die Besten 100 Klassik". There is significant coverage at the InterAmerican Bank site. It mentions he won a Kennedy Center Fellowship, and the Kennedy Center is definitely notable. Following the mentions in that link, I dug up a bunch of mentions, some significant, some less so, but none trivial, in the Washington Post, hosted here under fair-use:,  and . Rather obviously, the Peruvian and Spanish media should have more coverage we have no access to.  Artists do inherit notability from their works, per WP:ARTIST. Churn and change (talk)
 * We actually are allowed to use Peruvian and other Spanish language media - Tokyogirl79 has already done so to some extent. Roger (talk) 17:06, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * True, but it is unlikely a lot of that is online. It is also unlikely a lot of people hanging out on the English Wikipedia know which Peruvian sources are credible, and how to access whatever online information is available there. So I think where a "Peruvian" article is borderline, we should err on the side of passing. I don't believe this article is even borderline though. Churn and change (talk) 17:43, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Anyone reasonably fluent in Spanish should be able to tell a newspaper from a fansite - I found over 50,000 Google hits on only the .pe domain - so Peruvian sources are not hard to come by at all. BTW there's a fairly nice biography (in English) on his German management company's website - http://www.musikmph.de/artist_management/chuquisengo/chuquisengo.html - obviously not a NPOV source but still acceptable for the basic facts - such as that he lives in Germany, not Peru. IMHO it looks like this AFD is headed for a "Snowball Keep". Roger (talk) 18:26, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:59, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Snow keep. Has plenty of hits in Peruvian sources. Yes they aren't in English, but they are accepted here, and as long as they are reliable, then notability is established. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:48, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
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