Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Juan Manuel González (racing driver) (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. ST47 (talk) 03:18, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Juan Manuel González (racing driver)
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This was previously deleted at AFD, and has then subsequently been recreated and speedied G4. I am bringing it back to AFD on this occasion rather than going for another CSD G4 because the creator has stated 'This should have an article now because he raced at Iowa today', so I guess that is a claim that the facts have changed and should be reconsidered.

In my view, the subject fails WP:GNG as not the subject of any reliable, independent, substantial coverage. The claim would, I think, therefore have to be passing WP:NMOTORSPORT criteria #1 or #3.

I am no NASCAR expert, however he competes in the NASCAR Gander Outdoors Truck Series which appears to be a third-tier racing series with low prize money. In the recent race, he DNFd.

Perhaps someone with more knowledge of NASCAR can explain if he squeezes a WP:NMOTORSPORT on a technicality, but my view is he is not ready for an article.

If the community agrees, I'd also ask for a salt on this for the time being, given the prolific recreation attempts. Hugsyrup (talk) 09:52, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Hugsyrup (talk) 09:52, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions. Hugsyrup (talk) 09:52, 17 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment: I'm torn on this one. The rationale is under WP:NMOTORSPORT No. 1, as while NASCAR stopped releasing purse money a few years ago, the caliber of operation required to make an entry into the series qualifies it as professional. That being said, I nominated it for AfD the last time when he only had an attempt and a DNQ, not an actual start. On the flip side, the creator of the page has a long talk page for numerous creations that did not meet notability guidelines, etc. and both myself and another editor has offered to help said editor build better pages. Instead, creations keep being one sentence, even after multiple warnings/offers to help. So technically while Gonzalez meets NMOTORSPORT, I have a very hard time finding significant coverage that's not press releases to satisfy WP:GNG. If the page were to be deleted, I would be in favor of a salt and maybe restrictions on this user creating pages.  Willsome 4 29  (say hey or see my edits!) 18:30, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I've thought and my vote will be a weak keep at the present. He does meet WP:NMOTORSPORT, and he could make an appearance later on this season. Plus, after some research I found that he also competes in a couple of different Mexican series, so there may be some Spanish coverage on him that can be translated and put to use, especially since he has won contests in what seem like semi-prominent divisions of Mexican racing. Either way, if the page stays I'll put it on my to-do list.  Willsome 4 29  (say hey or see my edits!) 15:44, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 11:15, 24 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep because there are more refs for this article. 99721829Max (talk) 01:16, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep meets WP:NMOTORSPORTS. Several NASCAR Truck series starts makes him considered a professional driver. Thanks for working on the article, Willsome! (The previous 2 commenters and myself are members of WikiProject NASCAR.)  Royal broil  23:49, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - just worth noting that meeting WP:NMOTORSPORTS is not necessarily enough on its own. Per Q2 at the very top of that page, the subject of an article still needs to meet WP:GNG. I'm not seeing any evidence that this is the case here.Hugsyrup (talk) 08:06, 1 July 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.