Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Juan Richardson


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 04:40, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Juan Richardson

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Minor league baseball player who has only made it to AA level. Good faith gsearch and gnews search only coming up with passing mentions and stat pages in the independent reliable sources. So notability will come down to whether AA is "fully professional", as required by WP:ATHLETE. (The proposed WikiProject Baseball/Notability guidelines says not, but while this did have much consensus, it is just a draft.) Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  00:23, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions.  --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  00:24, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.  --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  00:26, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete There is broad interpretation among Wikipedia editors of what constitutes "fully professional" for baseball players, I interpret as having played in one of the major leagues outlined in the proposed (but not fully adopted) baseball notability guidelines, and that minor league players are not notable unless there has been significant coverage of them in reliable, independent sources (not just statistic pages), in which case they would pass the general notability guidelines and would not have to pass WP:ATHLETE.--kelapstick (talk) 02:57, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep --Mr Accountable (talk) 03:09, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Why? - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 16:18, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, other minor leaguers are typically deleted for the reasons presented by the nom and by Kelapstick; why treat him any differently? Nyttend (talk) 14:21, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and reasoning of Kelapstick. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 16:18, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. He's been fluctuating in and out of AA, I don't see him making it to the majors. Wizardman  00:06, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - Statistics or brief mentions in articles about minor league teams do not constitute "significant coverage in reliable sources," as required by WP:N. BRMo (talk) 04:17, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - He passes WP:ATHLETE, Wikipedia is not paper, he has about 200 "mentions" (not sure what they all are) in Google news under ""Juan Richardson" +baseball". I'm sure there must be sources in spanish somewhere as well as this guy is from the Dominican Republic. Borgarde (talk) 08:55, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Minor league players often get a lot Gnews hits because of brief mentions in articles about individual games or minor league teams. If you can demonstrate that a couple of those articles provide signitificant, in-depth coverage of this guy, I'd be willing to change my vote to "keep." BRMo (talk) 14:35, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I looked through a random sampling of these gnews hits before nominating this one. Typical of the hits is this ESPN hit: "November 21, 2002 Purchased the contracts of pitchers Ryan Madson, Franklin Perez and Jeremy Wedel, third basemen Juan Richardson and Chase Utley." The line before and after are about different transactions, so I call this a passing mention. Same for this one from Our Sports Central: "Juan Richardson followed with a double to put runners at second and third."... "The Naturals added the go-ahead run in the fifth, when Juan Richardson hit a bomb to left." These two sentences are the sum total about Richardson in the article. Again, I see this as a passing mention.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  15:53, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - It was my understanding that minor league all-stars were notable per compromises made this past year. Those of us who feel that all minor league players are notable per WP:ATHLETE agreed to back off when those who feel that the minor leagues are beneath their lofty WikiProject agreed to allow minor league all-stars. If these compromises are no longer in place I see no reason why I and others shouldn't start adding dozens of new minor league articles each and every day. Kinston eagle (talk) 23:37, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Please calm down. I think you may be misremembering last year's discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Baseball/Notability guidelines, which reached a consensus (reflected in the revised notability guidelines) that notability for minor league players should be based on significant coverage in reliable sources (that is, Wikipedia's general notability guideline). If you disagree with this criterion, you're of course welcome to reopen the discussion there. BRMo (talk) 02:50, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


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