Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Juan Vivion de Valera


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The result was Merge and redirect to Éamon de Valera. I'll do a rough attempt that interested editors are invited to refine. Tikiwont (talk) 09:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Juan Vivion de Valera

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Stub article on a man whose only claim to notability is as the father of Irish leader Éamon de Valera (longest-serving Taoiseach, 3rd President of Ireland, dominant figure of the 20th-century history of Ireland).

Per WP:NOTINHERITED, relationships do not confer notability, and the distinguishing characteristic of Juan Vivion de Valera is that so little is known about him that there is dispute as to whether he actually existed. There is no sign of any substantial independent coverage of him in reliable sources. The two references in the article are a) a brief mention in a book on Eamon; b) a more substantial self-published article on a historian's homepage

Juan is already mentioned in the article on Éamon de Valera, which is quite sufficient for a non-notable person about whom so little is known. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:46, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions.   -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions.   -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. Per nomination. Renee (talk) 13:58, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it just me or did what you link to say that you shouldn't just delete things because they have apparently inherited their notability? IMO the father of Eamonn de Valera is notable, it should be kept.--Jaeger123 (talk) 14:36, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No. The page linked is titled Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. One argument to avoid is that the subject is related to a notable person. Delete per nom. -- BPMullins | Talk 14:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Éamon de Valera's father is notable for two things: not being Irish, and almost nothing verifiable being known about his life. Both have an effect on how his son was perceived. I suggest merge and redirect to Éamon de Valera. Sam Blacketer (talk) 15:35, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * merge and redirect, per Sam Blacketer. All of the information in this article is useful, but only notable in the context of Éamon de Valera, which already has a place (in the "family" section) where this and the attendant references could easily go. The two articles are actually somewhat duplicative. The redirect should be maintained though (rather than deletion), in case of people searching on the name. -- phoebe / (talk) 06:15, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect - or else add to Category:Fictional characters as he did not exist, he was made up by Catherine Coll to explain her child and lack of a husband. Quite common at the time actually, lots of women returned to Ireland wearing black, with a pawn shop wedding ring, a child in tow and a dead husband. How convenient! Snappy56 (talk) 10:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect - the most famous non-person in Irish politics.Red Hurley (talk) 23:42, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


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