Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jubayer Salehin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I have not been convinced by the cases presented that this subject passes WP:GNG or WP:BASIC. Also, always good to remember the majority of the time, inclusion in Wikipedia is WP:NOTINHERITED.

Thanks everyone for participating and if you disagree with this decision please take it to Deletion review - unless there is a tech issue. Thanks for assuming good faith and happy holidays! Missvain (talk) 04:10, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Jubayer Salehin

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None of the cited sources, with the exception of #2 (my computer did not allow me to access it for security reasons) provide significant coverage of the subject. I cannot find any independent sources giving significant coverage to Salehin either. Ping, and  who weighed in on the notability issue at WT:MILHIST. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:41, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Ref#2 gives a 6 paragraph potted biography of Saledin - but as it is published by the Defence Services Command and Staff College (Bangladesh), where he is the commanding officer, it probably doesn't count as independent, so more significant coverage in independent sources is probably needed to pass WP:GNG. There may be more coverage in Bengali-language publications.Nigel Ish (talk) 11:30, 18 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:41, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:41, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:BASIC, minimal coverage mostly in non-independent sources. Mztourist (talk) 11:02, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I didn't find any WP:SIGCOV in Bengali either. --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 15:56, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Divisional commanders and commandants of a country's staff college are very clearly notable. It is clear he holds/held these positions. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:16, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Necrothesp what policy states that? Mztourist (talk) 05:45, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:COMMONSENSE: "Why isn't 'use common sense' an official policy? It doesn't need to be; as a fundamental principle, it is above any policy." Unfortunately sometimes sadly lacking, however. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:18, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Obviously its not WP:COMMONSENSE and we have actual policies for notability. Mztourist (talk) 15:23, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I consider that it is and my opinion stands. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:52, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Mztourist (talk) 09:05, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Article has been expanded since nomination and all sources taken as a whole indicate notability. Also as per argument by Necrothesp.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 03:43, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Necrothesp, and point by Vinegarymass911 well noted. When divisional commanders or Commandants of staff colleges are not sufficiently referenced in English language sources to allow a speedy keep, we should start digging more into the foreign-language sources; our systemic bias is awful as it is. Buckshot06 (talk) 06:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment source assessment table 1 follows:

Mztourist (talk) 09:15, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment source assessment table 2 follows, there are copyvio concerns with this page:
 * Delete above source analysis seems solid; subject appears to fail WP:NBASIC. I found a few more articles, but they seem to be either direct copies of the Army press statement (ref #11) or very passing along the lines of those in the first block. Given that they wouldn't establish notability in any case, I didn't check for reliability. Admittedly, my search was limited to English language sources, so it's possible that there are sufficient non-English sources to establish notability; if so, I'd be happy to change my !vote. -Ljleppan (talk) 10:30, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Single reference to suppport the article is insufficient. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:BASIC. Excellent source analysis provided proves this. Fails WP:V and WP:BIO    scope_creep Talk  13:16, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Start now then. A suitable search term in the appropriate language would be one way of doing it. Only WP:THREE references would be probably enough to draftify it and give time to expand it out with foreign language references. Anybody up for finding three references please?    scope_creep Talk  13:19, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thankyou for your note Scope Creep. Overall I disagree with the assessment of the source reliability and the assessment in the tables, but and I have extremely, extremely, bad blood because of his complete unwillingness to incorporate North Vietnamese sources into Vietnam War articles (and a long and bitter debate, over, all things, the Defense Attache Office of the US Embassy Saigon), so I am not in a position to have this debate objectively. Honestly I am also too busy with other things - I cannot patrol, reference, fix, all military unit and formation related articles across the entire site.
 * However, to the point: the Bangladeshi Armed Forces' baseline language is actually English, and the BAF/BA site should be taken as reliable for simple biographical facts. That shouldn't be at issue. WP:CONTEXTMATTERS says that 'each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made in the Wikipedia article and is an appropriate source for that content.' The official biography of the DSCSC commandant *must* be a reliable source -- or we have to start deleting literally *hundreds* of US military personnel articles based on U.S. Department of Defense official biographies. The fact that Salehin commanded 17th Infantry Division and is the commandant of DSCSC is basic vanilla biographical facts; nobody is likely to challenge that based upon the fact that it came from an official site.
 * Why are US military websites deemed reliable and Bangladeshi military websites somehow deemed unreliable? That's the core of this question. Otherwise we could start deleting US military biographies wholesale.
 * Kind regards to all; I regret having to mention and reawaken my bad blood with Mztourist, but it does bear on my trying to debate this issue, on this page. Buckshot06 (talk) 14:05, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * And a Merry Christmas to you too User:Buckshot06! With a WP:GRUDGE like that its good you're not an Admin any more. Mztourist (talk) 15:13, 25 December 2021 (UTC)


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