Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Judah Maccabee (comics)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Nexus (comics). Any sourceable information can be merged, as the article history is left intact. The theoretical existence of hard-to-find sources doesn't necessarily warrant keeping a completely unsourced, stubby separate indefinitely. If substantial coverage in reliable sources can be demonstrated, this can be spun out again in the future. ~ mazca  talk 11:47, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Judah Maccabee (comics)

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Despite the claim on the article's talk page that sources exist for this character, the link provided displays a search that mostly turns up sources for the historical person Judah Maccabee, the First Comics character Judah Maccabee. This character has not received "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" and fails Wikipedia's notability guidelines for fictional characters. Neelix (talk) 18:57, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - reliable sources exist for this character. For example The Slings & Arrows Comic Guide by Frank Plowright and The Comic Book Hereos: From the Silver Age to the Present by Will Jacobs and Gerard Jones. Finding sourcing for this character is difficult because of the historical figure of the same name (who has also been the subject of comic books) but sources being difficult to locate doesn't mean they don't exist. Otto4711 (talk) 20:33, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Search for the name and the comic the character was most featured in.
 * SUPERHEROES FLAUNT THEIR JEWISH ROOTS $2.95 - Miami Herald - NewsBank - Dec 9, 2006 "Judah Maccabee a 1980s comic book character who's also calledthe Hammer of ... the Book of Esther read the Nexus comic book series featuring Judah Maccabee ..."

Can't read the entire thing without paying. But it did get coverage there, and in the books found by Otto4711.  D r e a m Focus  00:08, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. In The Comic Book Heroes: From the Silver Age to the Present it says, "Nexus gained a new partner—an apelinke alien sporting a mohawk haircut—and the comics gained one of their most original characters. Judah Maccabee—hero, professional wrestler, gourmet cook and self-proclaimed ajudicator—is an explosive bundle of humor, rage, appetite...". This sort of treatment in secondary sources, which many a comics topic lack, is what is needed to write an article. Perhaps the nominator could take a look at this article; Pixie (Morlock)? Abductive  (reasoning) 10:26, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:24, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:24, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge back into Nexus (comics) from which it is currently a WP:SS breakout. I can't find additional sources, nor the full text for any of the three listed above. No objection to a keep if someone can source the article to offline sources. Jclemens (talk) 18:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This article was never part of Nexus (comics). It was created at Judah Maccabee as a redirect to Judas Maccabeus in 2003. In 2006 I started the article for the character, which was then moved to Judah Maccabee (fictional warrior) and finally to its present name. Otto4711 (talk) 01:21, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - per Otto4711 and Dream Focus. moreno oso (talk) 23:40, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge into Nexus (comics). I really cannot see significant coverage in these sources. They appear to be single sentences in comic book directories. The history of whether it was broken out from the comic article in the first place or not is irrelevant - it's how best to treat the material now that counts. It would easily merged, and makes more sense as part of the comic article. Quantpole (talk) 08:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge into Nexus (comics) per WP:PLOT and WP:BDK - there's little significant coverage in reliable sources of this character, and the article is essentially excessive in-universe plot coverage. Claritas § 15:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Nexus (comics) per Claritas.   Snotty Wong   chatter 19:14, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. I was about to close this as "keep" but I have a suspicion that I'll get my talk page blown up if I did that (ditto if I closed "merge"). The only thing that is certain here is that no delete buttons are going to be pushed. My own opinion is that the content currently in the article would fit nicely into Nexus (comics). (except the part where he likes to bowl) However, if there are ample sources to write a comprehensive encyclopedic article with additional content besides plot, then I would have no problem with this as its own article. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:49, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There are compromise options - merge it to a section in "Supporting characters" on the Nexus article and then if people improve it to the point it needs to be split off to its own article then people can start a discussion or close as keep/no consensus and return to this in 6 months to see what improvement has been made and then start a merge discussion. (Emperor (talk) 01:58, 2 July 2010 (UTC))


 * Merge to a section in supporting characters (the first option I mentions above). I'd tend to favour this as there only seem to be passing mentions of the character in the Google Books search and it is unclear what could actually be used from them in the article. Plus, as I say, this option leaves the door open to splitting off the section in the future if/when notability can be demonstrated (a lot of minor comics characters are failing on notability and I'm working on starting lists of minor characters to act as a merge target, this seems to fit this general plan). (Emperor (talk) 01:58, 2 July 2010 (UTC))
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.