Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Judah Miller


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus defaulting to keep. ansh 666 08:43, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Judah Miller

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Fails WP:GNG & WP:NCREATIVE. WP:INHERIT also applies. John from Idegon (talk) 19:19, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete a non-notable writer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:43, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep he has been nominated for two Emmys. Patapsco913 (talk) 07:27, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment it seems shows he has worked on has been nominated for two Emmys, not his work in particular. Just because someone worked on a show that's Emmy nominated doesn't mean you're notable, there are plenty of non-notable people involved in every nominated show, some even showing up on screen. Canterbury Tail   talk  12:24, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comment. Well true. You know I just stumbled onto his brother Murray's wikipage because he is all over the news for alleged nefarious reasons. I then used an existing source to expand on his bio (I like to expand bios with early life info to show how they got where they are and let the enthusiasts flesh out the successes and controversies). Anyhow, in the process I saw that his partner in writing was often his brother so I created Judah's wikipage as well who has a similar Wikipedia profile. Of course, his filmography could be fleshed out better (where he is a writer and where he is a producer) but I kind of figured that as Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, I would let someone else flesh that out. Anyhow, I am in the view that both nominees (as Murray Miller is now also nominated for deletion) are notable enough (or at a minimum should not be immediately deleted to let others work on the page): they each have been the writer for several important shows and they both have been nominated as part of a team for an Emmy. If a team wins an Emmy, everyone on the team gets an Emmy. Judah and his brother Murray are the sole writers for both nominations (and the writers are typically the bread and butter of an animated film). Also I added the table that was removed below. If you click on the link, a search will return both Murray's and Judah's names so I am not sure why the citation was removed. Here are the relevant citations:  and here is the link to Judah Miller's exact Emmy profile http://www.emmys.com/bios/judah-miller I will duplicate this post for the wikipage on Murray Miller as well.Patapsco913 (talk) 14:02, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Please also note that the subject's notability is based on a combination of his filmography (see the extensive list on IMDB which mirrors the Pages that link to "Judah Miller" on wikipedia) as producer and writer (and occasional voice actor) combined with his two Emmy nominations as one of two writers (along with his brother Murray Miller in an animated series (where writing is everything).Patapsco913 (talk) 17:09, 19 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Patapsco913 (talk) 17:17, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. Patapsco913 (talk) 17:17, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I re-added the information back that he was part of the team that was nominated for the Emmy. Over and over and over again I see people listed as winning or being nominated the Emmy for teams that they were part of (e.g. Bill Hader, Matt Groening, Vernon Chatman, Rob Sorcher, John Frink, Chuck Patton, Rich Moore...etc. I could provide more (I am just picking the most established articles to show that this is a well-established practice on Wikipedia to list someone as winning or being nominated for an Emmy when they are part of the team behind it). That is why I added Crew Roll to reflect that. Otherwise when Schindler's List wins an Academy Award for Best Picture, we could not say that Steven Spielberg won the Academy Award which we do (see List of awards and nominations received by Steven Spielberg. Miller and his brother were the two writers of the script that won the Emmy. A writer in an animated series is pretty important, probably more important than all the co-producers. Patapsco913 (talk) 11:41, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Keep Patapsco913 brings up some valid points why this article should be kept. Vistadan (talk) 21:45, 23 November 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: This needs sources to overcome the nomination.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 07:29, 26 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete I don't think his being one of 20 people on a writing team that was nominated for an Emmy is enough to presume notability. Beyond that, the biographical coverage references appear to be largely focused on his wife Marissa Jaret Winokur; perhaps that is a redirect target. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 00:49, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * He was one of two writers not 20.Patapsco913 (talk) 11:53, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * There are about 20 people listed on the nomination at, the fact that only two have the title "writer" on that page is irrelevant. power~enwiki ( π , ν ) 20:55, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   10:15, 3 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep Gerntrash (talk) 03:47, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:42, 9 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep Meets the WP:GNG threshold. -Ventric (talk) 20:07, 10 December 2017 (UTC)


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