Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Judit Kutasi


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The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 19:32, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Judit Kutasi

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No in-depth, independent sources demonstrate notability. Sure, the singer exists, but not all opera singers are notable; and she might be notable if any of the claims made in the article were verifiable, but they're not; so we should delete. - Biruitorul Talk 14:51, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep and source the article. I don't think finding references for the competition wins is going to be as hard as you say. I spent five minutes scrolling through a google search and found these references verifying her prize wins at several notable international singing competitions:, , . There were also plenty of reviews in magazines, journals, and newspapers that can verify her performances in leading roles at the Teatro Massimo and the Zurich Opera. Best.4meter4 (talk) 16:10, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, so you've managed to dig out the fact that she won third prize, along with two other singers, in a single competition, and sourced it to Objectiv Vocea Brăilei (unknown provincial newspaper, circulation 2500), Bucharest Herald (a news aggregator for anglophone expatriates) and Ziariști Online (a blog with neo-fascist tendencies), all of which apparently reproduced the same press release. I suggest you keep trying if you'd like this to be kept. - Biruitorul Talk 16:36, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
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Keep per and I believe that non-english WP:RS exist as well. However, WP:BEFORE would have reduce u|Biruitorul's stress of bringing this here for discussion. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 12:10, 5 July 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I pretty thoroughly explained why the sources supplied by 4meter4 don't do much in terms of showing notability, and "believing" sources exist is not a substitute for actually showing they do. - Biruitorul Talk 15:18, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. I can see having reservations about the resume-like tone, but a Zurich Oper bio (took me a lot less than 5' to find) seems sufficient for notability. Sparafucil (talk) 23:02, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Let's review WP:BIO: "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject" (emphasis mine). The Zurich Opera pays Kutasi to appear on its stage; she is an employee of theirs. Obviously, a blurb written by an employer about one of its employees is, in no sense of the term, a source that is "independent of the subject". Keep trying, Sparafucil. - Biruitorul Talk 15:37, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  16:48, 9 July 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JAaron95  Talk  13:00, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete The sources that I find list her only in minor roles,, , , like "third woman" and "handmaid". She is listed at the Zurich Opera House as a member of the "ensemble". I wouldn't think that ensemble performers have automatic notability. I don't find anything showing her in a leading role, nor do I find reviews of her performances. I'll check back to see if more has been revealed. LaMona (talk) 16:13, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - just another opera singer, shared third price at a singing contest, ensemble member at the Zürich Opera House, but no significant coverage in independent sources, fails WP:ARTIST (no reviews) and WP:GNG Kraxler (talk) 15:04, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


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